Chiefs A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense. - Page 5

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 08:22 AM

Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4.

Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well.

Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT.

Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT.

Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in.

I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right.

DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays.

Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page.

The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine.

Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO.

I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up.

I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10.

He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick.

Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you put Curry and DJ up the middle of this 3-4 without a NT they are both going to die.

I know you think so.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I know you think so.

I'd love to watch Derrick Johnson try to handle a guard, it would be good for laughs.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Agree 100% on almost every account.

3-4 ILB's essentially need to be nickel backers. I think DJ and Curry are both suited, Curry perfectly so, to be 3-4 ILB's.

The problem is that we have the #3 overall pick. I've said it before, we picked the wrong year to go 2-14.

Seriously, if the Ravens had the chance to take Ray Lewis at #3 and they had to take him at #3 or he would be gone, would they do it? I think so.

Would you take the defensive rookie of the year last year at #3? I would.

Lets look at another position... safety.

I would never want to consider a safety at #3 overall. But, if I am sitting there and I know Ed Reed will be Ed Reed, and I have the #3 pick... do I take him?

I think some players are bigger than the position they play.

I think Curry is one of those guys.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:19 AM

The Ravens drafted another player over Lewis themselves...just remember that.

Chief Faithful · 03-02-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He can't play outside in a 3-4, 3-4 OLBs are like athletic DE's he's not a pass rusher.

How do you know he can't pass rush he was not asked to in College? He has the size and if he is as athletic as everyone says then he should be able to handle the job. When I watch NFL network analysis every pundit thinks the guy has the ability to be a good pass rusher so why are you more of an authority?

My point was Vrabel gives them the flexibility to find out what Curry can do. Currently I'm more interested in BJ although that could change as I learn more about him.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:22 AM

And here we go again when a guy finishes his 4 year college career with 9 sacks he's not a pass rusher.

Anyone who says without a doubt he can rush the passer is at best being dishonest.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd love to watch Derrick Johnson try to handle a guard, it would be good for laughs.

You really don't get it.

Now, for the record, I think Tank and Ron Edwards will see time at the nose on run downs. I think that is the only way to keep Dorsey fresh.

But, with Boone on one side and McBride on the other, the Chiefs will be able to occupy the offensive line.

DJ won't see many guards.

htismaqe · 03-02-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Seriously, if the Ravens had the chance to take Ray Lewis at #3 and they had to take him at #3 or he would be gone, would they do it? I think so.

Would you take the defensive rookie of the year last year at #3? I would.

Lets look at another position... safety.

I would never want to consider a safety at #3 overall. But, if I am sitting there and I know Ed Reed will be Ed Reed, and I have the #3 pick... do I take him?

I think some players are bigger than the position they play.

I think Curry is one of those guys.

Ray Lewis wasn't Ray Lewis coming out of college.

And I would absolutely take a premier safety at #3.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:23 AM

Your concept of how to build a defense is so completely different than mine, you are expecting guys to just do things they aren't suited to do, that'll be fun.

**DeezNutz** · 03-02-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

You really don't get it.

Now, for the record, I think Tank and Ron Edwards will see time at the nose on run downs. I think that is the only way to keep Dorsey fresh.

But, with Boone on one side and McBride on the other, the Chiefs will be able to occupy the offensive line.

DJ won't see many guards.

So the same crop of dog shit is going to be miraculously transformed in the 3-4? Are you kidding?

eazyb81 · 03-02-2009, 10:24 AM

Are we going to have to deal with a new Curry thread every day now?

This shit is mind-numbing.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And here we go again when a guy finishes his 4 year college career with 9 sacks he's not a pass rusher.

Anyone who says without a doubt he can rush the passer is at best being dishonest.

And, anyone who says he isn't a pass rusher is being equally dishonest. Especially from a fans perspective.

Clearly, he has not demonstrated his pass rush much in college. That is not to say he 'can't' do it.

I just think he is a MUCH better fit at ILB in the 3-4. And, when he rushes the passer from the ILB position, his speed will be his most important asset.

htismaqe · 03-02-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I still think if you wanted a ILB this bad you'd be better off moving and taking Maualuga who I personally feel is a much better fit for a 3-4.

Lauranitis could play in a 3-4 too. He's not nearly the player Curry is, but for value, trading back and taking one of those guys makes alot more sense.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

So the same crop of dog shit is going to be miraculously transformed in the 3-4? Are you kidding?

He thinks all the Chiefs players are really talented apparently...it's pretty funny.

If you put Ron Edwards at nose in a 3-4 he is going to get killed and your ILBs are going to get flat backed.

Chief Faithful · 03-02-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Seriously, if the Ravens had the chance to take Ray Lewis at #3 and they had to take him at #3 or he would be gone, would they do it? I think so.

Would you take the defensive rookie of the year last year at #3? I would.

Lets look at another position... safety.

I would never want to consider a safety at #3 overall. But, if I am sitting there and I know Ed Reed will be Ed Reed, and I have the #3 pick... do I take him?

I think some players are bigger than the position they play.

I think Curry is one of those guys.

That would be a reason to take Curry. Plus, if he is that kind of player then he could handle playing ILB or OLB.

03-02-2009, 08:22 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense. Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4. Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well. Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT. Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT. Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in. I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right. DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays. Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page. The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine. Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO. I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up. I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10. He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick. Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....
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