Chiefs My Easy Chair "Evaluation" thus far... - Page 5

Sully · 04-26-2009, 05:14 PM

Reading up on the Patriots, they were one of 4 teams in the NFL to do all their own scouting, not using a service. They graded using their own criteria, and picked accordingly.
So, knowing that, I don't know why the first couple of picks surprised me so much. Pioli and Belichick didn't give a damn what the experts thought, they drafted guys that fit their very narrow profile. They wanted their guys, and got them wherever.

Now, clearly they should have traded down for a couple of these guys. But that assumes two things.
A) There was a partner to trade down with.
and
B) Their guy would still be available at that pick.

As Petro often says, it only takes one team to like a guy for him to be gone. And as evidenced by the Cleveland/Jets trade, trading down was either not an option, or not worth doing.

So nothing about this draft sparkles. Not like last year, where we were all euphoric after nearly every pick. However, I'm not saying we should all just blindly trust in Pioli, but we should realize he goes about this deal a lot differently that most other teams, and we should come to grips with that.

All that said, my evaluation really is no evaluation. The picks confuse me and baffle me. But I think this guy knows what he's doing. So a couple of years down the line, if these guys suck, and the team hasn't improved...I'll be right along with you dog-cussing this regime. I just can't bring myself to do it, yet. That's not a cry to not discuss opinions, just an attempt to bring us back to rationality with all this. We don't know...not one of us, whether this is going to be good or bad. We don't know how these guys will be used, and how they will be asked to contribute. We don't know if they are expected to be stars, or role players.

JMO

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-26-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

And what ever happened to DaJuan Morgan?

Haley punches him in the face when he gets angry

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I would have rather had Mark Sanchez and Max Unger/Ron Brace/Rey Rey over Matt Cassel, Tyson Jackson and Vrabel.

I don't care for the selection of Washington (what the hell is wrong with Flowers, Carr & Leggett?), Colin Brown and Jake O'Connell are major head-scratchers.

Let's just hope that the Chiefs were right this weekend. Because on paper, it pretty much looks like dogshit.

I would have rather had the guys you listed too.

But they didn't pick them and I can't change that.

EyePod · 04-26-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I would have rather had Mark Sanchez and Max Unger/Ron Brace/Rey Rey over Matt Cassel, Tyson Jackson and Vrabel.

I don't care for the selection of Washington (what the hell is wrong with Flowers, Carr & Leggett?), Colin Brown and Jake O'Connell are major head-scratchers.

Let's just hope that the Chiefs were right this weekend. Because on paper, it pretty much looks like dogshit.

Mark Sanchez would have been terrible with us. He wouldn't have a check down that an inexperienced QB would love to rely on (I guess if Tony never went he would have). But he also wouldn't have the veteran leadership to boost him along. Unless you count Tyler Thigpen or Ingle Martin...

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-26-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Mark Sanchez would have been terrible with us. He wouldn't have a check down that an inexperienced QB would love to rely on (I guess if Tony never went he would have). But he also wouldn't have the veteran leadership to boost him along. Unless you count Tyler Thigpen or Ingle Martin...

I'm not going to get into this with you.

Mark Sanchez is MY choice. If he were a Chief, there would have been no reason to rush him onto the field. Depending on his weekly development, he wouldn't have needed to start until 2010, unless the offensive line was completely repaired AND he showed progress in practice.

The Chiefs aren't winning jackshit this year (and probably not next year either) and Sanchez WILL be a franchise QB.

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Mark Sanchez was MY choice.

FYP

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-27-2009, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

We had what was universally agreed upon as the best draft last year. Now everyone's saying it was awful with the exception of Flowers.

Not anyone with any sense.

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2009, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Not anyone with any sense.

I'm not saying I agree, but people around here are so quick to throw somebody under the bus (Dorsey).

**MahiMike** · 04-27-2009, 08:21 AM

I think a big reason they reached for Jackson was due to all the talk of how other teams were also going to the 3-4. They figured they got the best player for that scheme ahead of any other team. Wasn't Pioli's fault we had #3 and not #12.

Extra Point · 04-27-2009, 08:46 AM

It's nice to know that someone else had watched LSU's BCS championship game, and noticed who had complemented Dorsey, to the extent that Dorsey became our no-brainer pick, afterward. As much as I was asking "Why?" Saturday nite, the answer came from the memory of that game.

I can't fault Pioli and crew for which picks they made, yet in some respects, I'd like to have a "Play Season" button on the remote, and just get into next year's draft. 2009-2010: 7-9.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Extra Point

It's nice to know that someone else had watched LSU's BCS championship game, and noticed who had complemented Dorsey, to the extent that Dorsey became our no-brainer pick, afterward. As much as I was asking "Why?" Saturday nite, the answer came from the memory of that game.

I can't fault Pioli and crew for which picks they made, yet in some respects, I'd like to have a "Play Season" button on the remote, and just get into next year's draft. 2009-2010: 7-9.

It's almost like we're sticking with the 4-3...

Oh, wait.

04-26-2009, 05:14 PM
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	My Easy Chair "Evaluation" thus far... Reading up on the Patriots, they were one of 4 teams in the NFL to do all their own scouting, not using a service. They graded using their own criteria, and picked accordingly. So, knowing that, I don't know why the first couple of picks surprised me so much. Pioli and Belichick didn't give a damn what the experts thought, they drafted guys that fit their very narrow profile. They wanted their guys, and got them wherever. Now, clearly they should have traded down for a couple of these guys. But that assumes two things. A) There was a partner to trade down with. and B) Their guy would still be available at that pick. As Petro often says, it only takes one team to like a guy for him to be gone. And as evidenced by the Cleveland/Jets trade, trading down was either not an option, or not worth doing. So nothing about this draft sparkles. Not like last year, where we were all euphoric after nearly every pick. However, I'm not saying we should all just blindly trust in Pioli, but we should realize he goes about this deal a lot differently that most other teams, and we should come to grips with that. All that said, my evaluation really is no evaluation. The picks confuse me and baffle me. But I think this guy knows what he's doing. So a couple of years down the line, if these guys suck, and the team hasn't improved...I'll be right along with you dog-cussing this regime. I just can't bring myself to do it, yet. That's not a cry to not discuss opinions, just an attempt to bring us back to rationality with all this. We don't know...not one of us, whether this is going to be good or bad. We don't know how these guys will be used, and how they will be asked to contribute. We don't know if they are expected to be stars, or role players. JMO
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04-27-2009, 08:21 AM	#68
MahiMike He's Mahomie! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jax, FL Casino cash: $10023443	I think a big reason they reached for Jackson was due to all the talk of how other teams were also going to the 3-4. They figured they got the best player for that scheme ahead of any other team. Wasn't Pioli's fault we had #3 and not #12.
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04-27-2009, 08:46 AM	#69
Extra Point MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Prairie Village, KS Casino cash: $10004900	It's nice to know that someone else had watched LSU's BCS championship game, and noticed who had complemented Dorsey, to the extent that Dorsey became our no-brainer pick, afterward. As much as I was asking "Why?" Saturday nite, the answer came from the memory of that game. I can't fault Pioli and crew for which picks they made, yet in some respects, I'd like to have a "Play Season" button on the remote, and just get into next year's draft. 2009-2010: 7-9. __________________ "Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits." --Satchel Paige
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