Other Sports The hypocrisy of NASCAR - Page 5

Luke · 05-19-2009, 10:38 PM

I didn't think this would fit in the boogery boogery thread.

With the recent suspension of driver Jeremy Mayfield for an as of yet unreported "drug" violation, I have began to notice many hypocrisys in one of my favorite sports.

Suposedly born from the transportation of illegal alcohol, the sport until recently would not allow "hard" liquor to sponsor race teams. Beer companies were OK evidently, as in Budwieser, Coors, Miller, yet no hard liquor. The Minor league as it were was named the Busch Cup, while the Winston Cup was the premium championship. I guess RJ Reynolds was not deemed "family friendly" anymore.

With drivers such as Carl Edwards hawking Claritin-D, which is as I understand on the list of prohibited substances, and the Wallace family pushing 5 hour performance enhancing juice, hypocricy seems to be reaching a new level.

I understand that piloting a ton and a half machine at 200 mph along with 42 other racers then trying to turn left is rather risky. I would not be in favor of racers injesting alcohol, meth, herion or cocain and getting behind the wheel.

NASCAR management seems to have quite a bit of flexibility in the rules when they pertain to certain racing familes. Yet they plead zero tolerence to drugs against other folks.

Maybe it is the bad economy, falling ticket sales, or lack of business financing, but for any sport to grow I feel the rules should be uniform for all.

Rant over, thank you for your time.

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 05-20-2009, 02:54 PM

I don't give a flying **** about racing, but the OP is an idiot. Until recently hard liquor was not allowed to be advertised on television in any way. THAT was why it was not allowed.

Garcia Bronco · 05-20-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Like it or not, its classified in the sport, you can say its not until every single person hears you in America, but they still classify it as one.

Now, about the otehr stuff the OP was asking. Oh well. lol

It is a sport because they compete, but they aren't althletes.

**Skip Towne** · 05-20-2009, 03:44 PM

I don't believe any of you ****ers. Where's Dylan?

Mr. Krab · 05-20-2009, 04:05 PM

Yea, i think NASCAR should just let the drivers take whatever they want as long as it's a sponsor of racing. What a race, 32 drivers roaring around a 1/2 mile track drunk suffering from Priapism.

w00t!

GoHuge · 05-20-2009, 05:36 PM

I don't see the problem with letting these guys take uppers. Now downers would be a problem. I've done Coke a handful of times and I think I drove pretty damn good

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**Dylan** · 05-20-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

It is a sport because they compete, but they aren't althletes.

Are racecar drivers athletes? Does sitting in a racecar for five hours in 140 degree heat traveling 200 miles per hour match the skills of an overweight, football lineman trying to catch his breath on the field?

After careful review of scientific tests, published in the "paper of record," I would say, indeed they are athletes!

**Bugeater** · 05-20-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Are racecar drivers athletes? Does sitting in a racecar for five hours in 140 degree heat traveling 200 miles per hour match the skills of an overweight, football lineman trying to catch his breath on the field?

After careful review of scientific tests, published in the "paper of record," I would say, indeed they are athletes!

Honey, it's not worth the trouble.

KCChiefsMan · 05-20-2009, 10:33 PM

poker, bowling, darts, pool and bingo are just as much of a sport as nascar is.

**Dylan** · 05-20-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I don't believe any of you ****ers. Where's Dylan?

I just woke up from a power nap!

**Dylan** · 05-20-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Honey, it's not worth the trouble.

Hey cupcake!

Abba-Dabba · 05-20-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

Are the tracks not circles? I don't dog NASCAR like a lot of racing snobs. The drivers are talented however their races are boring. The run two road courses a year and everything else is on an oval track.

I used to watch NASCAR every weekend so I'm not naive as to what it takes for them to run a race. I respect the drivers however I feel their version of the sport is boring. There are too many caution flags (which always seem to come out at opportune times for race leaders or when the leaders get too far out in front of the pack).

Finally, Juan Pablo Montoya sucked in Formula 1. He would compete on occassion but was never an elite driver. Look at Micheal Schumacher, Allonso, or Lewis Hamilton if you want to see a good example of an F1 driver.

Oh. My bad. You've watched it on Teee. Veee. You still don't understand circle track racing.

Hamiltoon is facing quite a bit of criticism right now. I really wouldn't use him as a example. F1 is in a tailspin at the moment. Even the future of F1 is in question.

JPM didn't suck in F1. Where the hell did you come up with that? He is considered in the top 30 of F1 drivers of all-time.

**Dylan** · 05-21-2009, 12:48 PM

For decades, Nascar had maintained an policy against hard liquor sponsorship. Nascar suggested that it was the right thing to do. While many know about Nascar, few know about their roots. Nascar changed everything -- sparing you the backstory. Nascar traces a tail back to Prohibition, murder and deceit –And the early racecar drivers that risked their lives running Southern moonshine.

I can’t write it, but I can cut & paste.

"Moonshiners put more time, energy, thought, and love into their cars than any racer ever will. Lose on the track and you go home. Lose with a load of whiskey and you go to jail." --Junior Johnson, NASCAR legend and one-time whiskey runner

Long before the sport of stock-car racing even existed, young men in the rural, Depression-wracked South had figured out that cars and speed were tickets to a better life. With few options beyond the farm or factory, the best chance of escape was running moonshine. Bootlegging offered speed, adventure, and wads of cash--if the drivers survived. "Driving with the Devil" is the story of bootleggers whose empires grew during Prohibition and continued to thrive well after Repeal, and of drivers who thundered down dusty back roads with moonshine deliveries, deftly outrunning federal agents. The car of choice was the Ford V-8, the hottest car of the 1930s, and ace mechanics tinkered with them until they could fly across mountain roads at 100 miles an hour.

After fighting in World War II, moonshiners transferred their skills to the rough, red-dirt racetracks of Dixie, and a national sport was born. In this dynamic era (1930s and '40s), three men with a passion for Ford V-8s--convicted criminal Ray Parks, foul-mouthed mechanic Red Vogt, and crippled war veteran Red Byron, NASCAR's first champion--emerged as the first stock car "team." Theirs is the violent, poignant story of how moonshine and fast cars merged to create a new sport for the South to call its own.

I'll come back to the story later.... I'm at work

Fairplay · 05-21-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

Anything short of a primary sponsorship would be worthless. I'm guessing 20 Million is pretty steep for an industry that just recently got out of the red. If they're even out now.

The saying it takes money to make money has much truth to it.

Fairplay · 05-21-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

I don't think UFC wants to spend millions of dollars to be on the hood of a car for a few races. To be a title sponsor for 5 races you are talking 25 million in sponsorship dollars.

Well, other sponsers are doing it.

So apparently several think its a good idea.

Katipan · 05-21-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

The saying it takes money to make money has much truth to it.

I think they've got a good grasp on their business model.

Why do you think Affliction only did it once?

05-19-2009, 10:38 PM
Luke Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	The hypocrisy of NASCAR I didn't think this would fit in the boogery boogery thread. With the recent suspension of driver Jeremy Mayfield for an as of yet unreported "drug" violation, I have began to notice many hypocrisys in one of my favorite sports. Suposedly born from the transportation of illegal alcohol, the sport until recently would not allow "hard" liquor to sponsor race teams. Beer companies were OK evidently, as in Budwieser, Coors, Miller, yet no hard liquor. The Minor league as it were was named the Busch Cup, while the Winston Cup was the premium championship. I guess RJ Reynolds was not deemed "family friendly" anymore. With drivers such as Carl Edwards hawking Claritin-D, which is as I understand on the list of prohibited substances, and the Wallace family pushing 5 hour performance enhancing juice, hypocricy seems to be reaching a new level. I understand that piloting a ton and a half machine at 200 mph along with 42 other racers then trying to turn left is rather risky. I would not be in favor of racers injesting alcohol, meth, herion or cocain and getting behind the wheel. NASCAR management seems to have quite a bit of flexibility in the rules when they pertain to certain racing familes. Yet they plead zero tolerence to drugs against other folks. Maybe it is the bad economy, falling ticket sales, or lack of business financing, but for any sport to grow I feel the rules should be uniform for all. Rant over, thank you for your time.
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05-20-2009, 02:54 PM	#61
mikeyis4dcats. Scarlett Johansson's boytoy Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $9555998	I don't give a flying **** about racing, but the OP is an idiot. Until recently hard liquor was not allowed to be advertised on television in any way. THAT was why it was not allowed.
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05-20-2009, 03:44 PM	#63
Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	I don't believe any of you ****ers. Where's Dylan?
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Mr. Krab Big Red Nuts Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $10004900	Yea, i think NASCAR should just let the drivers take whatever they want as long as it's a sponsor of racing. What a race, 32 drivers roaring around a 1/2 mile track drunk suffering from Priapism. w00t!
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GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	I don't see the problem with letting these guys take uppers. Now downers would be a problem. I've done Coke a handful of times and I think I drove pretty damn good .
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KCChiefsMan AIC Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Roxbury, MA Casino cash: $10004900	poker, bowling, darts, pool and bingo are just as much of a sport as nascar is.
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05-21-2009, 12:48 PM	#72
Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	For decades, Nascar had maintained an policy against hard liquor sponsorship. Nascar suggested that it was the right thing to do. While many know about Nascar, few know about their roots. Nascar changed everything -- sparing you the backstory. Nascar traces a tail back to Prohibition, murder and deceit –And the early racecar drivers that risked their lives running Southern moonshine. I can’t write it, but I can cut & paste. "Moonshiners put more time, energy, thought, and love into their cars than any racer ever will. Lose on the track and you go home. Lose with a load of whiskey and you go to jail." --Junior Johnson, NASCAR legend and one-time whiskey runner Long before the sport of stock-car racing even existed, young men in the rural, Depression-wracked South had figured out that cars and speed were tickets to a better life. With few options beyond the farm or factory, the best chance of escape was running moonshine. Bootlegging offered speed, adventure, and wads of cash--if the drivers survived. "Driving with the Devil" is the story of bootleggers whose empires grew during Prohibition and continued to thrive well after Repeal, and of drivers who thundered down dusty back roads with moonshine deliveries, deftly outrunning federal agents. The car of choice was the Ford V-8, the hottest car of the 1930s, and ace mechanics tinkered with them until they could fly across mountain roads at 100 miles an hour. After fighting in World War II, moonshiners transferred their skills to the rough, red-dirt racetracks of Dixie, and a national sport was born. In this dynamic era (1930s and '40s), three men with a passion for Ford V-8s--convicted criminal Ray Parks, foul-mouthed mechanic Red Vogt, and crippled war veteran Red Byron, NASCAR's first champion--emerged as the first stock car "team." Theirs is the violent, poignant story of how moonshine and fast cars merged to create a new sport for the South to call its own. I'll come back to the story later.... I'm at work __________________ Last edited by Dylan; 05-21-2009 at 12:57 PM..
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