Chiefs Teicher: Offense is the Chiefs' biggest problem - Page 5

MoreLemonPledge · 05-20-2009, 12:27 PM

I went to the Chiefs’ first full offseason practice wondering more about their defense, but I left with more questions about the offense.

Let’s start with the offensive line: Very thin without Brian Waters there. They’ve got two starters who are over 30 — Damion McIntosh is 32, Mike Goff is 33 — and both those guys had better hold up or the Chiefs might be in some trouble. Very thin as far as depth; very few proven experienced guys as backups.

The receiving group without Tony Gonzalez: I’m wondering, like everybody else, how that’s going to all play out. Dwayne Bowe dropped some balls and made some nice catches also, but he looked a lot like the Dwayne Bowe we saw last year. The Chiefs really need him to be more consistent because you’ve got Mark Bradley and Bobby Engram behind him. Engram is 36. Not a lot of depth there, either.

The running game with Larry Johnson: You’ve heard me say before the Chiefs need Johnson. He’s their running game. I didn’t really see a guy who’s capable of handling the every-down load like Johnson is. They used Jamaal Charles like they did last year as a third-down back.

Matt Cassel didn’t have one of his better days, but he’s the least of the Chiefs’ concerns right now. It was a windy day; I’ve seen him throw indoors since joining the Chiefs at an earlier minicamp, and there’s no problem with Matt Cassel.

Chan Gailey: I have a lot of respect for him. He did a great job turning the offense around last year after a rotten start and all the quarterback problems. But he’s going to have to earn his money again this year, because there are a lot of issues with the Chiefs offensively.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1206906.html

Not sure if this is a repost or not, but very interesting considering our defense was 2nd worst in the league last year. Your thoughts?

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's a 30 year old running back with the mentality of a 5 year old.

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

When he's not hurt.

He may be worth a shit, but he's certainly not worth his contract.

Thanks for introducing meaningless issues.

kcbubb · 05-20-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you decide you're getting your QB now, you are obligated as a franchise to put him in a good position.

You don't go get a QB then spend all your money and picks on defense, or that QB will fail.

It's why what the Lions did was stupid, they didn't put Stafford in a good spot either with their moves.

If you decide Cassel is your franchise guy you are obligated to put him in a situation that is atleast good enough for him to not get his brains beat in and shit on himself.

I really wish Detroit would have taken Jason Smith with the 1st pick and traded their 20, 33, and 137 for our #3 pick and taken Stafford.

They would be better off and so would we.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I really wish Detroit would have taken Jason Smith with the 1st pick and traded their 20, 33, and 137 for our #3 pick and taken Stafford.

They would be better off and so would we.

The Lions would have been fine currently if they would have made proper picks, they could have come out of this draft with Stafford, Oher, Britton and Jared Cook.

Sounds like a nice start for your young franchise QB, but no that's to logical.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

In comparison to what?

If you did a listing of RB's in the league where's he coming in at? 20th?

I don't know, man. Where do you list Tomlinson? That mother****er couldn't average 4 YPC last year. Neither could Willie Parker, Matt Forte, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber, Willis McGahee, Fred Taylor or Joseph Addai.

And yet something tells me you would have traded LJ for ANY of those running backs after the 2007 season.

You'll never, ever admit you're wrong about Larry Johnson. He bounced back in a way almost no one expected last year. But yeah, he's not worth a shit. Not at ALL.

kcbubb · 05-20-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Lions would have been fine currently if they would have made proper picks, they could have come out of this draft with Stafford, Oher, Britton and Jared Cook.

Sounds like a nice start for your young franchise QB, but no that's to logical.

I still think it would have been nice for them to have Smith and Stafford. We could have taken their current LT Backus in on the trade instead of the late pick. He could have started at guard immediately.

I think that would have been great for the Chiefs to have #20, #33 and Backus for the #3 pick.

But I agree that they should have done more for the offense. Maybe they are thinking that they can late Culpepper get killed this year and bring in another LT next year when Stafford starts. That is if they wait to start him.

MoreLemonPledge · 05-20-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I don't know, man. Where do you list Tomlinson? That mother****er couldn't average 4 YPC last year. Neither could Willie Parker, Matt Forte, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber, Willis McGahee, Fred Taylor or Joseph Addai.

And yet something tells me you would have traded LJ for ANY of those running backs after the 2007 season.

You'll never, ever admit you're wrong about Larry Johnson. He bounced back in a way almost no one expected last year. But yeah, he's not worth a shit. Not at ALL.

Take away the Denver game (198 yds), the Atlanta game (121 yds because of a big run), and maybe even the Miami game (108 yds). Then what do you have?

He was wildly inconsistent and hurt last year. He's not great.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I still think it would have been nice for them to have Smith and Stafford. We could have taken their current LT Backus in on the trade instead of the late pick. He could have started at guard immediately.

I think that would have been great for the Chiefs to have #20, #33 and Backus for the #3 pick.

They probably didn't wanna pay that kinda money, either way they were still in great position to get their QB and fix their line and they didn't do it, that's why they're the Lions.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I don't know, man. Where do you list Tomlinson? That mother****er couldn't average 4 YPC last year. Neither could Willie Parker, Matt Forte, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber, Willis McGahee, Fred Taylor or Joseph Addai.

And yet something tells me you would have traded LJ for ANY of those running backs after the 2007 season.

You'll never, ever admit you're wrong about Larry Johnson. He bounced back in a way almost no one expected last year. But yeah, he's not worth a shit. Not at ALL.

So you are going to compare him to a bunch of guys who had bad years? To show you how much faith the Colts have in Addai they used their 1st pick on another RB.

That's the difference in teams, we keep running our declining pile out there, they replace him.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So you are going to compare him to a bunch of guys who had bad years?

Matt Forte had an excellent year. So did a handful of those other guys.

None of them averaged 4.5 YPC.

I'm guessing Larry is REALLY going to make you eat crow this year. Unless he gets hurt. Which of course, is unlikely, because he's as durable as they come. Even after the 400 carry gauntlet.

MoreLemonPledge · 05-20-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Matt Forte had an excellent year. So did a handful of those other guys.

None of them averaged 4.5 YPC.

Because YPC is the only thing that matters.

MoreLemonPledge · 05-20-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I'm guessing Larry is REALLY going to make you eat crow this year. Unless he gets hurt. Which of course, is unlikely, because he's as durable as they come. Even after the 400 carry gauntlet.

Now I'm starting to wonder if you're even being serious.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Because YPC is the only thing that matters.

I'd say it's pretty important in judging a running back.

If LJ had averaged 3.8 YPC like LT I'm sure Mecca would be screaming at the top of his lungs about how washed up LJ is.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 04:52 PM

I'm going to guess they all carried significantly more than he did since Johnson missed games and got to play in an where he carried less, so a couple of big runs skew his average..

Lets not bring up the 2nd halves of games when running would have been good and he had 1 yard carries.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 04:53 PM

Tomlinson is ****ing old, he has a ton of wear on his body, he's declining just the same.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm going to guess they all carried significantly more than he did since Johnson missed games and got to play in an where he carried less, so a couple of big runs skew his average..

Yes, damn Larry for breaking off those big runs.

Stupid mother****er! Stop skewing your average!

What are you going to say when LJ puts up 1300 yards this year?

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MoreLemonPledge M-I-Z S-E-C Join Date: Apr 2009 Casino cash: $10004927	Teicher: Offense is the Chiefs' biggest problem I went to the Chiefs’ first full offseason practice wondering more about their defense, but I left with more questions about the offense. Let’s start with the offensive line: Very thin without Brian Waters there. They’ve got two starters who are over 30 — Damion McIntosh is 32, Mike Goff is 33 — and both those guys had better hold up or the Chiefs might be in some trouble. Very thin as far as depth; very few proven experienced guys as backups. The receiving group without Tony Gonzalez: I’m wondering, like everybody else, how that’s going to all play out. Dwayne Bowe dropped some balls and made some nice catches also, but he looked a lot like the Dwayne Bowe we saw last year. The Chiefs really need him to be more consistent because you’ve got Mark Bradley and Bobby Engram behind him. Engram is 36. Not a lot of depth there, either. The running game with Larry Johnson: You’ve heard me say before the Chiefs need Johnson. He’s their running game. I didn’t really see a guy who’s capable of handling the every-down load like Johnson is. They used Jamaal Charles like they did last year as a third-down back. Matt Cassel didn’t have one of his better days, but he’s the least of the Chiefs’ concerns right now. It was a windy day; I’ve seen him throw indoors since joining the Chiefs at an earlier minicamp, and there’s no problem with Matt Cassel. Chan Gailey: I have a lot of respect for him. He did a great job turning the offense around last year after a rotten start and all the quarterback problems. But he’s going to have to earn his money again this year, because there are a lot of issues with the Chiefs offensively. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1206906.html Not sure if this is a repost or not, but very interesting considering our defense was 2nd worst in the league last year. Your thoughts?
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05-20-2009, 04:52 PM	#73
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	I'm going to guess they all carried significantly more than he did since Johnson missed games and got to play in an where he carried less, so a couple of big runs skew his average.. Lets not bring up the 2nd halves of games when running would have been good and he had 1 yard carries.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	Tomlinson is ****ing old, he has a ton of wear on his body, he's declining just the same.
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