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Old 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM  
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Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation
Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.



I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.



I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.



Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

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This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:06 PM   #61
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Yep the Seattle job with Microsoft money behind it.
Actually, I was talking about the Giants job after Ernie Accorsi retired.

But another example, nonetheless.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:06 PM   #62
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Since Pioli is so bad why don't you mother ****ers step up and demand he be fired? Otherwise I don't see the point in this disucssion other then stating the obvious.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:07 PM   #63
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Could you give an actual reason instead of just calling me dumb?
READING IS FUNDAMENTAL.

Reasons gave been given. Quit ignoring them, and read.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:07 PM   #64
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Could you give an actual reason instead of just calling me dumb?
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Are you saying he couldn't have signed Jason Brown? TJ Houshmanzedah? Chris Canty? Michael Boley? Igor Olshansky?

The list goes on and on.

The man took the job in mid-January. It's not like he was hired in early April.
I guess he could have signed some of those guys. We didn't have a coach until what, the end of Feb? I agree with you that more could have been done. But, I guess I agree with Keg, in that I think this is a long term plan, not a fix it now plan. I do agree with you also that to some extent, this year is wasted, just not completely. They found out all this here
1. they have a pretty darn good RB, but need another to carry some of the load
2. They need TE's
3. The entire O line sucks
4. D line is in good shape, but could use a nose guard even if for depth
5. We are good at corner
6. We need major help at safety
7. Cassel isn't gonna carry the team on his back. He needs playmakers.
8. Need receivers, bad.
Now, alot of us here thought the D line was crap. Most here including me thought Charles was decent for a third down back but not much more. I really think this season was a waste for us as fans, but not for the GM.
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Since Pioli is so bad why don't you mother ****ers step up and demand he be fired? Otherwise I don't see the point in this disucssion other then stating the obvious.
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I guess he could have signed some of those guys. We didn't have a coach until what, the end of Feb? I agree with you that more could have been done. But, I guess I agree with Keg, in that I think this is a long term plan, not a fix it now plan. I do agree with you also that to some extent, this year is wasted, just not completely. They found out all this here
1. they have a pretty darn good RB, but need another to carry some of the load
2. They need TE's
3. The entire O line sucks
4. D line is in good shape, but could use a nose guard even if for depth
5. We are good at corner
6. We need major help at safety
7. Cassel isn't gonna carry the team on his back. He needs playmakers.
8. Need receivers, bad.
Now, alot of us here thought the D line was crap. Most here including me thought Charles was decent for a third down back but not much more. I really think this season was a waste for us as fans, but not for the GM.
Many of us knew all these things before Pioli was ever hired.

Like I've said before, it's not rocket science.
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Dane, you said we're $41M under the cap, and I swear I just saw something posted earlier where Clark's contributions to the renovations is $40M, if that's true don't you think it's just a little more than a coincidence?
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The Hunt family kicked in $150 million, not $40 million.
Well then I'm obviously confused, which isn't very surprising. I find it hard to believe it isn't a factor at all though.
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Well then I'm obviously confused, which isn't very surprising. I find it hard to believe it isn't a factor at all though.
If the Hunts really wanted to save money they could have told Pioli to stick with Thigpen. Who certainly looks good right now. Makes me sick.
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If the Hunts really wanted to save money they could have told Pioli to stick with Thigpen. Who certainly looks good right now. Makes me sick.
Or they would have told Pioli to keep Gailey. Oh wait they did.....
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