We are not taking a QB in the first round

[TheGuardian]

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

So you are actually making a case for Cassel? You know, don't give up on Matt to soon!

I am not making a case for Cassel.

I am only pointing out a fact.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

And by the time you get to the last 1/4 of the season and actually start getting 'a little time' to throw you are so "sack shocked/running for your life shocked that you don't trust the protection in front of you that you actually are getting and have a tendency to be still in PTSD mode as any QB in the NFL would(including Brady,Brees and Manning).

While the O-Line hasn't been good throughout much of the season, even early in the season, Cassel still had some time in the pocket far more than people give the O-Line credit for.

He has, from teh start, held the ball too long, and did so with the Patriots early last year until they went to the spread on a far more regular basis.

The O-Line is bad, but Cassel makes them look worse than they actually are.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

And Brees was not the Brees everyone knows now at that time. In fact, he'd been pretty awful up to that point.

Brees has never had the accuracy issues that Cassel has.

His problem was his inability to read defenses and make good decisions.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Just because your not a good college HC in no way means your a bad NFL OC.

thats very very true. He could be the best thing that ever happened to KC
But you need a sure thing this time.IMO But go ahead & roll the dice. you havent hit a Yahtzee in a long time so i guess the odds are on your side

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by milkman

His problem was his inability to read defenses and make good decisions.

At least we don't have to worry about these issues.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I agree. Cassel gets happy feet fairly quick now from the beating he took earlier in the season. that's a very real issue with QB's who are behind bad lines for too long. The line has improved but he still doesn't trust them yet. But even with that said, he's got to learn to get rid of the ball quicker. One thing I notice with him is that he waits too long on a pattern to develop where you should be throwing to a spot on the field. One issue there is WR continuity.

So there are a lot of factors going into the suckage by Cassel this season. Which is why I'm perfectly fine waiting to see if improves this offseason with a little better line and WR's.

Matt Cassel was sacked more in his one season as the starter in New England than Tom Brady was/has been in the season prior and after.

And his (Brady's) mobility in the pocket isn't nearly the same this season as it was prior to the knee.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

At least we don't have to worry about these issues.

Damn man! You are on a roll!

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

Matt Cassel was sacked more in his one season as the starter in New England than Tom Brady was/has been in the season prior and after.

And his (Brady's) mobility in the pocket isn't nearly the same this season as it was prior to the knee.

Cassel's sack numbers improved dramatically in the second half of last season. Not coincidently, that was after he'd had a few games to get used to playing NFL football, and it was after the starting right guard returned to the lineup. The loss of that same right guard caused major protection problems in the 2007 Super Bowl and in multiple games this season.

He's not Brady, but the sack numbers this season were mostly a product of bad line play combined with the wide receivers' inability to get open.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line is bad, but Cassel makes them look worse than they actually are.

And this is where we will "agree to disagree". It is the other way around and we will see this in due time.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

And this is where we will "agree to disagree". It is the other way around and we will see this in due time.

Like we saw it in new england where he was sacked 2.5 times more than Tom Brady?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel's sack numbers improved dramatically in the second half of last season. Not coincidently, that was after he'd had a few games to get used to playing NFL football, and it was after the starting right guard returned to the lineup. The loss of that same right guard caused major protection problems in the 2007 Super Bowl and in multiple games this season.

He's not Brady, but the sack numbers this season were mostly a product of bad line play combined with the wide receivers' inability to get open.

That decreased sack number surely had nothing to do with the fact that the Patriots went to the spread for a larger percentage of snaps.

And the protection issues in the SB surely had nothing to do with an outstanding, deep defensive line and mobility limited by an ankle.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel's sack numbers improved dramatically in the second half of last season. Not coincidently, that was after he'd had a few games to get used to playing NFL football, and it was after the starting right guard returned to the lineup. The loss of that same right guard caused major protection problems in the 2007 Super Bowl and in multiple games this season.

He's not Brady, but the sack numbers this season were mostly a product of bad line play combined with the wide receivers' inability to get open.

Thank you

[milkman]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

And this is where we will "agree to disagree". It is the other way around and we will see this in due time.

Yeah.

Aren't you the dumbass that I argued with about David Carr?

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by milkman

Brees has never had the accuracy issues that Cassel has.

His problem was his inability to read defenses and make good decisions.

Brees first few seasons were hardly accurate (in comparison to him now)

55%, 60%, 57%

It wasn't until his third season that he became so accurate.

Cassel was a 63% guy last year in New England. This year even with all of the ridiculous amount of drops he's still at 55%. Take away half the drops and he's probably in the 58-59% range. I think he has a long ball accuracy issue. On the short and intermediate routes? No.

He def holds onto the ball too long, however in New England he improved in every category as the season went, including getting sacked. He was sacked 28 times in the first 8 games, and 19 times in the last 8. So the guy got better.

This year he's in a new system, behind a bad line, with no running game early, and WR's who can't catch. If you can't show me a QB who is going to look great with all of those issues let me know. Either way, I'm not a Cassel fan but the guy has had the deck stacked against him for the get go here. I am willing to give the guy another year.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel's sack numbers improved dramatically in the second half of last season. Not coincidently, that was after he'd had a few games to get used to playing NFL football, and it was after the starting right guard returned to the lineup. The loss of that same right guard caused major protection problems in the 2007 Super Bowl and in multiple games this season.

He's not Brady, but the sack numbers this season were mostly a product of bad line play combined with the wide receivers' inability to get open.

Yeah, of course.

It had nothing to do with the fact that Cassel can't ****ing read a defense and has the propensity to hold onto the ball, or leave the pocket before protection actually breaks down.

Nothin' at all.