Chiefs Here's the REAL list of Unrestricted Free Agents for 2010 - Page 5

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10:44 PM

Here's a list of all 228 players that will have gained unrestricted free agency in an uncapped season.

Difference makers in bold. There aren't many of them, and I wouldn't expect any of them to actually hit the open market with the exception of Julius Peppers. (Maybe TO)

The rest will likely be tagged (teams have an extra tag now) or be re-signed by their current club.

Weak crop, to say the least.

EDIT: Also, here is the list of RFA Tenders for 2010, listed in $M. Also added is the Franchise/Transition tag numbers for 2010.

RFA Tenders

Veterans with 3 accrued seasons:

3.043 - 1st & 3rd round compensation*
2.396 - 1st round compensation*
1.684 - 2nd round compensation*
1.101 - original round compensation*
1.101 - right of first refusal

Veterans with 4 accrued seasons:

3.168 - 1st & 3rd round compensation*
2.521 - 1st round compensation*
1.759 - 2nd round compensation*
1.176 - original round compensation*
1.176 - right of first refusal

Veterans with 5 accrued seasons:

3.268 - 1st & 3rd round compensation*
2.621 - 1st round compensation*
1.809 - 2nd round compensation*
1.226 - original round compensation*
1.226 - right of first refusal

* or 110% of the previous year's pay (whichever is higher)

Franchise/Transition Tag numbers:

CORNERBACK: $9.566 million (franchise), $8.056 million (transition)

DEFENSIVE END: $12.398m, $10.193m

DEFENSIVE TACKLE: $7.003m, $6.353m

LINEBACKER: $9.680m, $8.373m

OFFENSIVE LINE: $10.731m, $9.142m

PUNTER/KICKER: $2.814m, $2.629m

QUARTERBACK: $16.405m, $14.546m

RUNNING BACK: $8.156m, $7.151m

SAFETY: $6.455m, $6.011m

TIGHT END: $5.908m, $5.248m

WIDE RECEIVER: $9.521m, $8.651m

Here's the list of UFA's:

ARI Beisel, Monty OLB
ARI Becht, Anthony TE
ARI Berry, Bertrand OLB (Retiring)
ARI Bridges, Jeremy OG
ARI Brown, Ralph CB
ARI Dansby, Karlos ILB
ARI Gandy, Mike OT
ARI Kreider, Dan FB
ARI Morey, Sean WR
ARI Okeafor, Chike OLB
ARI Patrick, Ben TE
ARI Robinson, Bryan DT
ARI St. Pierre, Brian QB
ARI Ware, Matt SS
ARI Rackers, Neil K
ATL Booker, Marty WR
ATL Finneran, Brian WR
ATL Gilbert, Tony ILB
ATL Williams, Brian CB
ATL Zelenka, Joe LS
ATL Redman, Chris QB
ATL Schneck, Mike LS
ATL Stecker, Aaron RB
ATL Haynes, Verron FB
BAL Bannan, Justin DE
BAL Edwards, Dwan DE
BAL Ivy, Corey CB
BAL Mason, Derrick WR (Retiring)
BAL Smith, L. J. TE
BAL Tyree, David WR
BAL Walker, Frank CB
BAL Washington, Kelley WR
BUF Denney, Ryan DE
BUF Draft, Chris OLB
BUF McKinney, Seth OG
BUF Owens, Terrell WR
BUF Reed, Josh WR
BUF Scott, Bryan SS
BUF Simmons, Kendall OG
BUF Johnson, Todd FS
BUF Stamer, Josh OLB
CAR Brayton, Tyler DE
CAR Feeley, A. J. QB
CAR McCown, Josh QB
CAR Muhammad, Muhsin WR
CAR Peppers, Julius DE
CAR Thomas, Hollis DT
CAR Vincent, Keydrick OG
CAR Wesley, Dante CB
CHI McClover, Darrell OLB
CHI Ogunleye, Adewale DE
CHI Tinoisamoa, Pisa OLB
CHI Peterson, Adrian RB
CIN Kelly, Reggie TE
CIN Williams, Bobbie OG
CIN Williams, Roy SS
CIN Johnson, Tank DT
CIN Johnson, Larry RB
CIN Johnson, Jeremi FB
CIN Graham, Shayne K
CLE Furrey, Mike WR
CLE Gaines, Michael TE
CLE Hadnot, Rex OG
CLE Poteat, Hank FS
CLE Tucker, Ryan OT
CLE Yates, Billy OG
DAL Holland, Montrae OG
DEN Berger, Mitch P
DEN Fox, Vernon FS
DEN Gorin, Brandon OT
DEN Greisen, Nick ILB
DEN Hamilton, Ben OG
DEN Hochstein, Russ OG
DEN Holliday, Vonnie DE
DEN Lloyd, Brandon WR
DEN Law, Ty CB
DET Ciurciu, Vinny OLB
DET Cook, Damion OG
DET Culpepper, Daunte QB
DET FitzSimmons, Casey TE
DET Foote, Larry ILB
DET Heller, Will TE
DET Henry, Anthony CB
DET James, William CB
DET Jansen, Jon OT
DET Manuel, Marquand SS
DET Ramsey, Patrick QB
GB Clifton, Chad OT
GB Green, Ahman RB
GB Kampman, Aaron OLB
GB Pickett, Ryan DT
GB Tauscher, Mark OT
HOU Salaam, Ephraim OT
HOU Thompson, Chaun OLB
HOU Turk, Matt P
HOU Walter, Kevin WR
HOU Zgonina, Jeff DT
HOU Brown, Chris RB
HOU Campbel, Khary OLB
HOU Ferguson, Nick SS
HOU Grossman, Rex QB
HOU Pittman, Bryan LS
HOU Pitts, Chester OG
HOU Reyes, Tutan OG
HOU Robinson, Dunta CB
HOU Russell, Brian FS
IND Stover, Matt K
IND Brackett, Gary ILB
JAX Hayward, Reggie DE
JAX Wilford, Ernest TE
JAX Forney, Kynan OG
KC Wade, Bobby WR
KC Brown, Mike SS
KC Chambers, Chris WR
KC Copper, Terrance WR
KC Ryan, Sean TE
KC Smith, Wade OG
KC Vrabel, Mike OLB
MIA Ferguson, Jason DT
MIA Jones, Nathan CB
MIA Pennington, Chad QB
MIA Taylor, Jason OLB
MIN Hicks, Artis OT
MIN Kennedy, Jimmy DT
MIN Lewis, Greg WR
MIN Sapp, Benny CB
MIN Taylor, Chester RB
NE Neal, Stephen OG
NE Burgess, Derrick OLB
NE Faulk, Kevin RB
NE Green, Jarvis DE
NE Hanson, Chris P
NE Seau, Junior ILB
NE Watson, Benjamin TE
NE Wilfork, Vince DT
NE Bodden, Leigh CB
NO Leckey, Nick C
NO Miller, Billy TE
NO Brunell, Mark QB
NO Campbell, Dan TE
NO Clancy, Kendrick DT
NO Dinkins, Darnell TE
NO Fujita, Scott OLB
NO Harper, Roman SS
NO Sharper, Darren FS
NO Spicer, Paul DE
NO Torrence, Leigh CB
NO Kyle, Jason LS
NO Prioleau, Pierson SS
NYG Carr, David QB
NYG Clark, Danny OLB
NYG Feagles, Jeff P
NYG Robbins, Fred DT
NYJ Dearth, James LS
NYJ Douglas, Marques DE
NYJ Feely, Jay K
NYJ Fowler, Ryan ILB
NYJ Hartsock, Ben TE
NYJ Richardson, Tony FB
NYJ Izzo, Larry ILB
OAK Williams, Sam OLB
OAK Green, Cornell OT
OAK Janikowski, Sebastian K
OAK Joseph, William DT
OAK Seymour, Richard DE
OAK Wade, John C
OAK Walker, Langston OT
PHI Babin, Jason DE
PHI Jones, Sean FS
PHI Trotter, Jeremiah ILB
PHI White, Tracy OLB
SD Boone, Alfonso DE
SD Manumaleuna, Brandon TE
SD Norman, Dennis C
SD Osgood, Kassim WR
SD Runyan, Jon OT
SD Scott, Ian DT
SD Wilson, Kris TE
SEA Griffith, Justin FB
SEA Houser, Kevin LS
SEA Lewis, D. D. ILB
SEA Lucas, Ken CB
SEA Mare, Olindo K
SEA Mcintosh, Damion OT
SEA Milloy, Lawyer FS
SEA Redding, Cory DE
SEA Robinson, Jeff LS
SF Baas, David OG
SF Battle, Arnaz WR
SF Bly, Dre' CB
SF Harris, Walt CB
SF Roman, Mark FS
SF Sims, Barry OT
SF Ulbrich, Jeff ILB
SF Wilhelm, Matt ILB
SF Franklin, Aubrayo DT
SF Pashos, Tony OT
STL Boller, Kyle QB
STL Hall, James DE
STL Hart, Clinton SS
STL Lenon, Paris OLB
STL Little, Leonard DE
STL Massey, Chris LS
STL McMichael, Randy TE
TB Allen, Will FS
TB Bryant, Antonio WR
TB Crowell, Angelo OLB
TB Phillips, Jermaine FS
TB Wilkerson, Jimmy DE
TEN Amano, Eugene OG
TEN Amato, Ken LS
TEN Bulluck, Keith OLB
TEN Harper, Nick CB
TEN Hentrich, Craig P
TEN Hood, Rod CB
TEN Kaesviharn, Kevin FS
TEN Kearse, Jevon DE
TEN Mawae, Kevin C
TEN Nickey, Donnie SS
TEN Vanden Bosch, Kyle DE
TEN Crumpler, Alge TE
WAS Williams, Mike OG
WAS Albright, Ethan LS
WAS Daniels, Phillip DE
WAS Jones, Levi OT
WAS Smith, Hunter P
WAS Wynn, Renaldo DE
WAS Yoder, Todd TE

Hootie · 02-03-2010, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course it should, because we don't have a franchise QB.

those don't grow on trees

one could argue the Patriots don't have one of those, either...

after all Cassel's 2008 was somewhat comparable to Brady's 2009

not sure how everyone can overlook that

Hootie · 02-03-2010, 09:58 AM

but I've been arguing that for years...

if a system can fool an entire nation of fans for years into thinking Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time...

I'm pretty sure a system can trick our fan base into thinking Matt Cassel is actually a good QB

we'll see if Weis can work his magic two times

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-03-2010, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

and unless Berry falls the more and more I think about it I just pray we take Dez Bryant.

I'm tired of the "trenches"...give me a freaking playmaker for once...if he's 70% as good as Andre Johnson that's good enough for me...

Where are these Andre Johnson comparisons coming from?

They are similar in size, and that's about it.

AJ is blazing fast, was a track star at Miami as well, and has reportedly run a sub-4.3 40 in college. The guy was an excellent route runner coming out of college, and is one of the best in the league at running routes.

Bryant might run sub-4.5. He's a poor route runner, and needs to learn the route tree. Nevermind that he hasn't played football since what, September?

There's really no comparison, IMO.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-03-2010, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

those don't grow on trees

one could argue the Patriots don't have one of those, either...

after all Cassel's 2008 was somewhat comparable to Brady's 2009

not sure how everyone can overlook that

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

but I've been arguing that for years...

if a system can fool an entire nation of fans for years into thinking Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time...

I'm pretty sure a system can trick our fan base into thinking Matt Cassel is actually a good QB

we'll see if Weis can work his magic two times

I'm not getting into this argument with you again. I have no problem with you saying that Manning > Brady. But you're being ridiculous trying to claim that Brady isn't a franchise QB. You don't win 3 SB's and play in a 4th, playing the most important position on the field, by accident.

That's all I'm going to say on that matter.

Hootie · 02-03-2010, 10:06 AM

every WR from a spread offense is a "poor" route runner according to you guys.

I have no faith in your ability to judge WR's after last year.

I will always admit that I don't follow college football...I follow the mock draft sites and lurk draftplanet because the draft absolutely intrigues me and is my 3rd favorite football day of the year (opening week, super bowl)...

which is why I lurk draft planet and take what you, hamas, mecca, milkman, etc...say as very educated opinion (even though I think you all pretty much do what I do and then try to pawn it off like you actually watch all of these games and break down film etc. etc. etc. when in reality you probably just cherry pick it from your favorite sites and decide what you want to agree with and what you want to disagree with and so on)...

but after last year and then watching Crabtree play (who looks like a better version of Detriot Lions Roy Williams)...

I know longer respect your opinions on WR's and their route running abilities, or lack thereof.

Hootie · 02-03-2010, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not getting into this argument with you again. I have no problem with you saying that Manning > Brady. But you're being ridiculous trying to claim that Brady isn't a franchise QB. You don't win 3 SB's and play in a 4th, playing the most important position on the field, by accident.

That's all I'm going to say on that matter.

If Brady went down in 2007 instead of 2008 I'm not so sure Cassel wouldn't have played in a Super Bowl himself...

I'm done giving credit to Brady...just don't see it...he's a good QB that played in a great system with a top tier defense and had the benefit of "spygate"...something the NFL successfully swept under the rug that everyone seems to forget now...

The Patriots held "the greatest show on turf" to 3 points through 3 quarters in their 1st Super Bowl...

that's not fishy to anyone after spygate?

until they win one post spygate you won't hear me consider Brady as an all-time great...he's simply ARGUABLY the 2nd best QB in the NFL...

**The Franchise** · 02-03-2010, 10:13 AM

What makes Crabtree so awesome?

11 games played
48 receptions
625 yards
2 TDs

Yeah he missed all of training camp.....but Jesus Christ....it's not like he came into the NFL and tore everyone a new asshole.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-03-2010, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

every WR from a spread offense is a "poor" route runner according to you guys.

I have no faith in your ability to judge WR's after last year.

I will always admit that I don't follow college football...I follow the mock draft sites and lurk draftplanet because the draft absolutely intrigues me and is my 3rd favorite football day of the year (opening week, super bowl)...

which is why I lurk draft planet and take what you, hamas, mecca, milkman, etc...say as very educated opinion (even though I think you all pretty much do what I do and then try to pawn it off like you actually watch all of these games and break down film etc. etc. etc. when in reality you probably just cherry pick it from your favorite sites and decide what you want to agree with and what you want to disagree with and so on)...

but after last year and then watching Crabtree play (who looks like a better version of Detriot Lions Roy Williams)...

I know longer respect your opinions on WR's and their route running abilities, or lack thereof.

First, not all spread WR's are bad route runners. I think Jordan Shipley is a damn solid route runner, for example.

Crabtree was a MUCH better route runner in college than Bryant, IMO.

And I'm not sure why you're pounding the Crabtree drum just yet. He's played what, 11 games, averaging 60 yards a game?

Dwayne Bowe had more production as a rookie, (similar yardage but much more scoring) and was picked 10+ slots later, yet people want to run him out of town.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-03-2010, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

What makes Crabtree so awesome?

11 games played
48 receptions
625 yards
2 TDs

Yeah he missed all of training camp.....but Jesus Christ....it's not like he came into the NFL and tore everyone a new asshole.

This.

I'll give him credit for working his ass off before he signed. That's the reason he was able to make any impact, according to Mike Singletary.

Hootie · 02-03-2010, 10:16 AM

well...

I watched Crabtree play last year (didn't stare at any box scores and formulate any opinions)...

and he reminded me of the Roy Williams everyone thought was going to be a superstar...but with better hands.

Crabtree literally came in and was anointed starter day 1 and played like a #1 WR if you ask me...

and if we had taken him Hamas would have started the same "MOTHER **** YOU SCOTT PIOLI" thread as he did when we took Jackson.

God would I be thrilled to have Crabtree right now.

**HemiEd** · 02-03-2010, 10:16 AM

Cincy runs a risk of losing their Johnsons.

Hootie · 02-03-2010, 10:16 AM

Crabtree is going to be a star and anyone who thinks differently is foolish.

Just saying.

Hootie · 02-03-2010, 10:18 AM

I lurk draftplanet like crazy during this time of the year...

and last year (and I truly do pay attention to mecca because out of all of them mecca knows his shit)...mecca kept talking about Heyward-Bey this and Heyward-Bey that (albeit as a late 1st round pick)...

and god damn he was terrible last year...and I can't even give him a pass for being a Raider since Louis Murphy looked pretty good and all.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-03-2010, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Crabtree is going to be a star and anyone who thinks differently is foolish.

Just saying.

Way to back up that opinion.

Considering you think Tony Romo is going to the HOF, forgive me for not taking "I think so, therefore..." as gospel.

HC_Chief · 02-03-2010, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

What makes Crabtree so awesome?

11 games played
48 receptions
625 yards
2 TDs

Yeah he missed all of training camp.....but Jesus Christ....it's not like he came into the NFL and tore everyone a new asshole.

Potential. He is big, fast, and has great hands. He also knows how to find the end zone.

02-02-2010, 09:35 PM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2121115	Here's the REAL list of Unrestricted Free Agents for 2010 - including Tag/Tender info Here's a list of all 228 players that will have gained unrestricted free agency in an uncapped season. Difference makers in bold. There aren't many of them, and I wouldn't expect any of them to actually hit the open market with the exception of Julius Peppers. (Maybe TO) The rest will likely be tagged (teams have an extra tag now) or be re-signed by their current club. Weak crop, to say the least. EDIT: Also, here is the list of RFA Tenders for 2010, listed in $M. Also added is the Franchise/Transition tag numbers for 2010. RFA Tenders Veterans with 3 accrued seasons: 3.043 - 1st & 3rd round compensation* 2.396 - 1st round compensation* 1.684 - 2nd round compensation* 1.101 - original round compensation* 1.101 - right of first refusal Veterans with 4 accrued seasons: 3.168 - 1st & 3rd round compensation* 2.521 - 1st round compensation* 1.759 - 2nd round compensation* 1.176 - original round compensation* 1.176 - right of first refusal Veterans with 5 accrued seasons: 3.268 - 1st & 3rd round compensation* 2.621 - 1st round compensation* 1.809 - 2nd round compensation* 1.226 - original round compensation* 1.226 - right of first refusal * or 110% of the previous year's pay (whichever is higher) Franchise/Transition Tag numbers: CORNERBACK: $9.566 million (franchise), $8.056 million (transition) DEFENSIVE END: $12.398m, $10.193m DEFENSIVE TACKLE: $7.003m, $6.353m LINEBACKER: $9.680m, $8.373m OFFENSIVE LINE: $10.731m, $9.142m PUNTER/KICKER: $2.814m, $2.629m QUARTERBACK: $16.405m, $14.546m RUNNING BACK: $8.156m, $7.151m SAFETY: $6.455m, $6.011m TIGHT END: $5.908m, $5.248m WIDE RECEIVER: $9.521m, $8.651m Here's the list of UFA's: ARI Beisel, Monty OLB ARI Becht, Anthony TE ARI Berry, Bertrand OLB (Retiring) ARI Bridges, Jeremy OG ARI Brown, Ralph CB ARI Dansby, Karlos ILB ARI Gandy, Mike OT ARI Kreider, Dan FB ARI Morey, Sean WR ARI Okeafor, Chike OLB ARI Patrick, Ben TE ARI Robinson, Bryan DT ARI St. Pierre, Brian QB ARI Ware, Matt SS ARI Rackers, Neil K ATL Booker, Marty WR ATL Finneran, Brian WR ATL Gilbert, Tony ILB ATL Williams, Brian CB ATL Zelenka, Joe LS ATL Redman, Chris QB ATL Schneck, Mike LS ATL Stecker, Aaron RB ATL Haynes, Verron FB BAL Bannan, Justin DE BAL Edwards, Dwan DE BAL Ivy, Corey CB BAL Mason, Derrick WR (Retiring) BAL Smith, L. J. TE BAL Tyree, David WR BAL Walker, Frank CB BAL Washington, Kelley WR BUF Denney, Ryan DE BUF Draft, Chris OLB BUF McKinney, Seth OG BUF Owens, Terrell WR BUF Reed, Josh WR BUF Scott, Bryan SS BUF Simmons, Kendall OG BUF Johnson, Todd FS BUF Stamer, Josh OLB CAR Brayton, Tyler DE CAR Feeley, A. J. QB CAR McCown, Josh QB CAR Muhammad, Muhsin WR CAR Peppers, Julius DE CAR Thomas, Hollis DT CAR Vincent, Keydrick OG CAR Wesley, Dante CB CHI McClover, Darrell OLB CHI Ogunleye, Adewale DE CHI Tinoisamoa, Pisa OLB CHI Peterson, Adrian RB CIN Kelly, Reggie TE CIN Williams, Bobbie OG CIN Williams, Roy SS CIN Johnson, Tank DT CIN Johnson, Larry RB CIN Johnson, Jeremi FB CIN Graham, Shayne K CLE Furrey, Mike WR CLE Gaines, Michael TE CLE Hadnot, Rex OG CLE Poteat, Hank FS CLE Tucker, Ryan OT CLE Yates, Billy OG DAL Holland, Montrae OG DEN Berger, Mitch P DEN Fox, Vernon FS DEN Gorin, Brandon OT DEN Greisen, Nick ILB DEN Hamilton, Ben OG DEN Hochstein, Russ OG DEN Holliday, Vonnie DE DEN Lloyd, Brandon WR DEN Law, Ty CB DET Ciurciu, Vinny OLB DET Cook, Damion OG DET Culpepper, Daunte QB DET FitzSimmons, Casey TE DET Foote, Larry ILB DET Heller, Will TE DET Henry, Anthony CB DET James, William CB DET Jansen, Jon OT DET Manuel, Marquand SS DET Ramsey, Patrick QB GB Clifton, Chad OT GB Green, Ahman RB GB Kampman, Aaron OLB GB Pickett, Ryan DT GB Tauscher, Mark OT HOU Salaam, Ephraim OT HOU Thompson, Chaun OLB HOU Turk, Matt P HOU Walter, Kevin WR HOU Zgonina, Jeff DT HOU Brown, Chris RB HOU Campbel, Khary OLB HOU Ferguson, Nick SS HOU Grossman, Rex QB HOU Pittman, Bryan LS HOU Pitts, Chester OG HOU Reyes, Tutan OG HOU Robinson, Dunta CB HOU Russell, Brian FS IND Stover, Matt K IND Brackett, Gary ILB JAX Hayward, Reggie DE JAX Wilford, Ernest TE JAX Forney, Kynan OG KC Wade, Bobby WR KC Brown, Mike SS KC Chambers, Chris WR KC Copper, Terrance WR KC Ryan, Sean TE KC Smith, Wade OG KC Vrabel, Mike OLB MIA Ferguson, Jason DT MIA Jones, Nathan CB MIA Pennington, Chad QB MIA Taylor, Jason OLB MIN Hicks, Artis OT MIN Kennedy, Jimmy DT MIN Lewis, Greg WR MIN Sapp, Benny CB MIN Taylor, Chester RB NE Neal, Stephen OG NE Burgess, Derrick OLB NE Faulk, Kevin RB NE Green, Jarvis DE NE Hanson, Chris P NE Seau, Junior ILB NE Watson, Benjamin TE NE Wilfork, Vince DT NE Bodden, Leigh CB NO Leckey, Nick C NO Miller, Billy TE NO Brunell, Mark QB NO Campbell, Dan TE NO Clancy, Kendrick DT NO Dinkins, Darnell TE NO Fujita, Scott OLB NO Harper, Roman SS NO Sharper, Darren FS NO Spicer, Paul DE NO Torrence, Leigh CB NO Kyle, Jason LS NO Prioleau, Pierson SS NYG Carr, David QB NYG Clark, Danny OLB NYG Feagles, Jeff P NYG Robbins, Fred DT NYJ Dearth, James LS NYJ Douglas, Marques DE NYJ Feely, Jay K NYJ Fowler, Ryan ILB NYJ Hartsock, Ben TE NYJ Richardson, Tony FB NYJ Izzo, Larry ILB OAK Williams, Sam OLB OAK Green, Cornell OT OAK Janikowski, Sebastian K OAK Joseph, William DT OAK Seymour, Richard DE OAK Wade, John C OAK Walker, Langston OT PHI Babin, Jason DE PHI Jones, Sean FS PHI Trotter, Jeremiah ILB PHI White, Tracy OLB SD Boone, Alfonso DE SD Manumaleuna, Brandon TE SD Norman, Dennis C SD Osgood, Kassim WR SD Runyan, Jon OT SD Scott, Ian DT SD Wilson, Kris TE SEA Griffith, Justin FB SEA Houser, Kevin LS SEA Lewis, D. 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ILB SEA Lucas, Ken CB SEA Mare, Olindo K SEA Mcintosh, Damion OT SEA Milloy, Lawyer FS SEA Redding, Cory DE SEA Robinson, Jeff LS SF Baas, David OG SF Battle, Arnaz WR SF Bly, Dre' CB SF Harris, Walt CB SF Roman, Mark FS SF Sims, Barry OT SF Ulbrich, Jeff ILB SF Wilhelm, Matt ILB SF Franklin, Aubrayo DT SF Pashos, Tony OT STL Boller, Kyle QB STL Hall, James DE STL Hart, Clinton SS STL Lenon, Paris OLB STL Little, Leonard DE STL Massey, Chris LS STL McMichael, Randy TE TB Allen, Will FS TB Bryant, Antonio WR TB Crowell, Angelo OLB TB Phillips, Jermaine FS TB Wilkerson, Jimmy DE TEN Amano, Eugene OG TEN Amato, Ken LS TEN Bulluck, Keith OLB TEN Harper, Nick CB TEN Hentrich, Craig P TEN Hood, Rod CB TEN Kaesviharn, Kevin FS TEN Kearse, Jevon DE TEN Mawae, Kevin C TEN Nickey, Donnie SS TEN Vanden Bosch, Kyle DE TEN Crumpler, Alge TE WAS Williams, Mike OG WAS Albright, Ethan LS WAS Daniels, Phillip DE WAS Jones, Levi OT WAS Smith, Hunter P WAS Wynn, Renaldo DE WAS Yoder, Todd TE Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 02-02-2010 at 10:44 PM..
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02-03-2010, 09:58 AM	#62
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	but I've been arguing that for years... if a system can fool an entire nation of fans for years into thinking Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time... I'm pretty sure a system can trick our fan base into thinking Matt Cassel is actually a good QB we'll see if Weis can work his magic two times
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02-03-2010, 10:06 AM	#65
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	every WR from a spread offense is a "poor" route runner according to you guys. I have no faith in your ability to judge WR's after last year. I will always admit that I don't follow college football...I follow the mock draft sites and lurk draftplanet because the draft absolutely intrigues me and is my 3rd favorite football day of the year (opening week, super bowl)... which is why I lurk draft planet and take what you, hamas, mecca, milkman, etc...say as very educated opinion (even though I think you all pretty much do what I do and then try to pawn it off like you actually watch all of these games and break down film etc. etc. etc. when in reality you probably just cherry pick it from your favorite sites and decide what you want to agree with and what you want to disagree with and so on)... but after last year and then watching Crabtree play (who looks like a better version of Detriot Lions Roy Williams)... I know longer respect your opinions on WR's and their route running abilities, or lack thereof.
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02-03-2010, 10:13 AM	#67
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02-03-2010, 10:16 AM	#70
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	well... I watched Crabtree play last year (didn't stare at any box scores and formulate any opinions)... and he reminded me of the Roy Williams everyone thought was going to be a superstar...but with better hands. Crabtree literally came in and was anointed starter day 1 and played like a #1 WR if you ask me... and if we had taken him Hamas would have started the same "MOTHER **** YOU SCOTT PIOLI" thread as he did when we took Jackson. God would I be thrilled to have Crabtree right now.
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02-03-2010, 10:18 AM	#73
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I lurk draftplanet like crazy during this time of the year... and last year (and I truly do pay attention to mecca because out of all of them mecca knows his shit)...mecca kept talking about Heyward-Bey this and Heyward-Bey that (albeit as a late 1st round pick)... and god damn he was terrible last year...and I can't even give him a pass for being a Raider since Louis Murphy looked pretty good and all.
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