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Mecca · 06:52 PM

More to come after the combine is done but this is how I see the top half of the draft shaking at right now...

1. St Louis-Sam Bradford QB, Oklahoma, I think this team will take a QB and I think Bradford will be their guy, now it may be at 1 or it may be at 3.

2. Detroit-Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraksa, The Lions really sit in a nice spot at 2, they will either get the best player or 2nd best player in the draft and fill a massive need at DT, they luck out here and get the best player in the draft.

3. Tampa Bay-Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma, Tampa gets one of the DT's which is what they want to make sure they get, here they settle with McCoy who is a very elite prospect in his own right inspite of being overshadowed by Suh.

4. Washington-Jimmy Clausen QB,Notre Dame, Washington has to get a QB and Shanahan gets a very naturally gifted player to mold how he wants here.

5. Kansas City-Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, I don't like this at all but I think this comes down to doing the safe thing. I think this pick is between Okung and McClain and they'll settle on Okung as he has higher positional value and I don't think McClain will test well in workouts. I don't believe the Chiefs will strongly consider Berry in a deep safety class. This to me frankly comes down to Pioli not wanting Cassel to fail and going with the consensus pick as Okung is a pick basically no one will question nationally.

6. Seattle-Eric Berry, S, Tennessee, A team in need of playmakers has the best one in the draft fall right into their laps.

7. Cleveland-Joe Haden, CB, Florida, With a high number of players Cleveland would have coveted gone, they opt to go with the best player left. Wouldn't rule out Dan Williams here.

8. Oakland-Jason Pierre Paul, athletic freak with huge upside and Oakland, enough said.

9. Buffalo-Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee, Switching to 3-4 they opt to build up the defensive line first. Dan Williams in my view is going to be a very high riser and go somewhere in this area.

10. Denver-Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State-with the likely moving of Marshall this pick makes the most sense and is about where Bryant should go.

11. Jacksonville-Derrick Morgan-DE, GT, I'm not personally a big fan of Morgan but he fits what they do and they heavily need an end after the failure of Derrick Harvey to this point. The other best players left are OT's and they covered that last year.

12. Dolphins-Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama, Parcells makes the typical Parcells pick, guy loves LB's and hasn't drafted one in Miami yet. Not to mention they aren't high on Crowder and may be moving on from him. They might consider Kindle here if they sort out the ILB position.

13. San Fran-Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, basically the 49ers get a player with top 10 talent falling into their laps due to the teams in front of them.

14. Seattle-Charles Brown, OT, USC, Brown is a guy I expect to massively rise leading into the draft, he gained weight and is now over 300lbs, he's very athletic, he's a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme that Carroll and Gibbs will employ.

15. New York Giants-Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas- I think Thomas will be viewed by many as a CB but the Giants need playmakers especially in the back 7 on defense. Thomas can either push Michael Johnson to the bench at FS or take over at CB and push Terrell Thomas back to FS.

16. Tennessee-Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida, Physically speaking Dunlap is a top 5 player but is very on and off, the Titans love ends with huge upside and he basically fits the profile of defensive linemen that they take.

17. San Fran-CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson, San Fran is a little torn here on whether to go with Mays or Spiller but they opt for maybe the best playmaker in this draft and he fills several holes for them.

18. Pittsburgh-Taylor Mays, S, USC, Basically a nightmare situation where Mays slides into a perfect situation for him. He will get excellent coaching and form possibility the best safety tandem in the game with Polamalu, outstanding compliments to each other and a very intimidating middle of the field.

19. Atlanta-Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri, Maybe a slight surprise but Weatherspoon is rising fast. With the defense Atlanta plays and the young players they'll be counting on to return this is a solid pick for him, he pairs with Lofton to make a nice young LB duo.

20. Houston-Brian Price, DT, UCLA, Price is a very very good player, outstanding at getting into the backfield, basically spent 3 years living in the opponents backfield in the Pac 10. Houston needed a DT badly to go with their other nice young D personnel is pretty thrilled he's here.

21. Cincy-Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois-Benn has all the physical tools, outstanding size, great speed, great returner, he just comes from playing with Juice Williams and also showed some durability and consistency issues. Cincy badly needs a playmaker on the outside, they opt for the most talented outside player on the board in Rejus.

22. New England-Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State, NE fills one of their needs at 5 tech DE with this pick, Odrick is very naturally gifted, in the mold that NE likes standing at 6'5 and about 300lbs also has a huge frame to grow. Would consider Kindle or Graham here but NE never uses high picks on LB's as Belichick prefers vets there.

23. Green Bay-Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas, Green Bay is thrilled to have him still on the board. Everyone would figure OT here but Ted Thompson is a best player on the board drafter and Kindle is that guy at this point. Should solidly transition to 3-4 OLB with experience as a 4-3 OLB and 4-3 DE. In some ways has similar experience as Clay Matthews did but wasn't as well coached but is more naturally talented, outstanding fit. If Kindle happens to be gone would likely heavily consider Brandon Graham.

24. Philly-Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Knowing what the Eagles value this is where I'd place this pick. They've had a lot of injury issues on the OL and some of their guys are starting to get older, the Eagles value OL more than any other team in the league. If they didn't go OL here I could see them possibly taking Gresham giving them nasty skill position players.

25. Baltimore-Damian Williams, WR, USC, Baltimore desperately needs WR's that can play right now, Williams is very polished, reminds me of a mix of the Giants Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne. So opting for the guy who is ready to contribute right now makes sense here.

26. Arizona-Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan-To good of a value to pass up for a team that needs pass rushers in a bad way.

27. Dallas-Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho, Perfect fit for the system the Cowboys run, would step into LG from day 1 kicking Kosier either off the team or to the bench, he's had serious problems staying healthy. Doug Free is ready to start at RT leaving Flozell Adams as the only OL they need to replace quickly.

28. San Diego-Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Williams falls a bit due to essentially being a RT but San Diego is happy to get him here filling one of their few needs.

29. New York Jets- Brandon Lafell, WR, LSU, The Jets don't have a ton of needs but a WR is a big one and Lafell fits how this team play. He's big, physical and has good hands. Bit of a down senior year but is excellent value here, Tate is also an option but Lafell fits better.

30. Minnesota-Jermaine Gresham, TE, Okahoma, Great value pick, Gresham is a top 15 talent falling to this pick do to injury.

31. Indy-Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland-Campbell may end up as a guard but Indy needs to get some better OL to improve their run game, calculated risk pick here.

32. New Orleans Navarro Bowman, OLB, Penn State, Bowman has some off the field issues but he is a prototype 4-3 OLB. Great natural talent that falls to this pick well worth the risk here.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-28-2010, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

That is what I said after the Jets won.

The Chiefs Completely stomped Denvers ass and showed the league how stupid McDaniels was for sitting his only good player in a game that could have had playoff implications..

fixed your dumbass post.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I think Pioli has said that he values game film more than workouts, but I can see the workouts holding some deciding weight to who they draft.

Tyson Jackson had awful workouts.

20 BP Reps
17 on his Wonderlic
4.94 40
28.5" vertical
8'6" broad jump.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-28-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Tyson Jackson had awful workouts.

20 BP Reps
17 on his Wonderlic
4.94 40
28.5" vertical
8'6" broad jump.

Further proof that the guy's a bum.

I wonder if the Chiefs would have taken him with Crennel around?

**BossChief** · 02-28-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Further proof that the guy's a bum.

I wonder if the Chiefs would have taken him with Crennel around?

This backs up my statement that they really dont care about the combine (at least for certain positions) They must have seen a guy they fell involve with during his film.

TJ was Piolis statement that "we were gonna run a 3-4 defense" and "we are gonna focus on fixing our run defense first and foremost"

They had to see something in him that made them (and about every 3-4 team picking after us) want him in the top of the first round.

Are those numbers all that horrible for a 300 pounder? Not meaning to be a smart ass one bit, I cant find a site with past times on it and would like to see a comparison of his numbers as opposed to some of the better 5-tecs in the NFL to see how they match up. Only 20 reps is pretty astounding.

milkman · 02-28-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

TJ was Piolis statement that "we were gonna run a 3-4 defense" and "we are gonna focus on fixing our run defense first and foremost"

They had to see something in him that made them (and about every 3-4 team picking after us) want him in the top of the first round.

Are those numbers all that horrible for a 300 pounder? Not meaning to be a smart ass one bit, I cant find a site with past times on it and would like to see a comparison of his numbers as opposed to some of the better 5-tecs in the NFL to see how they match up. Only 20 reps is pretty astounding.

Dexter McCluchon (sp), all 5'8" and 172 lbs of him, did 20 reps at the combine today.

**BossChief** · 02-28-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Dexter McCluchon (sp), all 5'8" and 172 lbs of him, did 20 reps at the combine today.

I know. And he matches up against tackles that can bench 225 at least 35 times.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-28-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

This backs up my statement that they really dont care about the combine (at least for certain positions) They must have seen a guy they fell involve with during his film.

Which continues to back up the fact that they're ****ing stupid and had THE worst draft in the entire history of the Chiefs franchise.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 06:47 PM

The Parcells guys are absolutely obsessed with size.

They have a weird attraction to measureables, but it's not 40 time, bench #s, vertical, 3 cone drill, or any of that shit.

They are averse to spending top picks on WRs (the only 1st rounder Parcells ever spent on a WR was Terry Glenn, and the Pats have never done it).

They love guys who are big with long arms. It's Parcells' dumb ****ing Planet Theory. Jackson got drafted at 3 because of the Planet Theory. They looked at his size (rather than his explosiveness) and his arm length (rather than his production) and figured that they could make him a good 5 technique.

In some ways, you could argue that the Parcells guys don't draft workout warriors, they draft tape measure warriors.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

This backs up my statement that they really dont care about the combine (at least for certain positions) They must have seen a guy they fell involve with during his film.

TJ was Piolis statement that "we were gonna run a 3-4 defense" and "we are gonna focus on fixing our run defense first and foremost"

They had to see something in him that made them (and about every 3-4 team picking after us) want him in the top of the first round.

Are those numbers all that horrible for a 300 pounder? Not meaning to be a smart ass one bit, I cant find a site with past times on it and would like to see a comparison of his numbers as opposed to some of the better 5-tecs in the NFL to see how they match up. Only 20 reps is pretty astounding.

Ht	Wt	40-yard dash	10-yd split	20-yd split	20-ss	3-cone	Vert	Broad	BP	Wonderlic
Pre-draft measureables
6′4⅛″	296 lb	4.94	1.68	2.79	4.80	7.64	28½ in.	8′6″	20 rep	17
Bench from LSU Pro Day, all others from NFL Combine

Ht	Wt	40-yard dash	10-yd split	20-yd split	20 ss	3-cone	Vert	Broad	BP	Wonderlic
Pre-draft measureables
6-2½ *	298 lb *	4.82 **	1.62 **	2.77 **	4.42 **	7.15 **	29½″ *	9′05″ **	30 *	15 *

(* represents NFL Combine ** represents Purdue Pro Day)

The top is Jackson, The bottom is Magee.

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 07:02 PM

The size thing is why I start cracking up laughing when anyone even suggests our team or the Pats would draft Brandon Graham.

**BossChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ht	Wt	40-yard dash	10-yd split	20-yd split	20-ss	3-cone	Vert	Broad	BP	Wonderlic
Pre-draft measureables
6′4⅛″	296 lb	4.94	1.68	2.79	4.80	7.64	28½ in.	8′6″	20 rep	17
Bench from LSU Pro Day, all others from NFL Combine

Ht	Wt	40-yard dash	10-yd split	20-yd split	20 ss	3-cone	Vert	Broad	BP	Wonderlic
Pre-draft measureables
6-2½ *	298 lb *	4.82 **	1.62 **	2.77 **	4.42 **	7.15 **	29½″ *	9′05″ **	30 *	15 *

(* represents NFL Combine ** represents Purdue Pro Day)

The top is Jackson, The bottom is Magee.

rep, and thanks.

How do those numbers stack up to guy like Ty Warren or Seymour etc? Guys drafted to play a certain position in our specific defense. Being this is the first year we ran the scheme I didnt pay attention to that stuff much back then.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 07:13 PM

Similar size and weight. Seymour is 6'5" 300, Warren is 6'4".

One of the reasons why I posted that is to show how Jackson was outperformed by Magee in every area, was just as (more likely less) productive in college, and yet Jackson goes higher because of Pioli's obsession with size.

**AustinChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The size thing is why I start cracking up laughing when anyone even suggests our team or the Pats would draft Brandon Graham.

The Planet Theory (George Young actually coined it) only applies to 300 lb linemen... so it has nothing to do with Graham ... As a matter of fact it isn't relevant at all really. Simply stated, the theory is that there is a finite number of ATHLETIC 300 lb men on Earth... so when you come across them you covet them.

The theory(which I DO NOT subscribe to) is meant to encourage getting and keeping big guys who are superior athletes... so it would seem their measurables would come into play.

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 07:15 PM

They apply it to the entire front 7, give me an undersized LB that has ever played for Parcells or a Parcells tree guy.

Brandon Graham's 6'1 height likely has him very low on the Chiefs board.

RustShack · 02-28-2010, 07:16 PM

McClain has superior size..

02-26-2010, 03:07 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	I'll do my preliminary top 16 mock, now full first round More to come after the combine is done but this is how I see the top half of the draft shaking at right now... 1. St Louis-Sam Bradford QB, Oklahoma, I think this team will take a QB and I think Bradford will be their guy, now it may be at 1 or it may be at 3. 2. Detroit-Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraksa, The Lions really sit in a nice spot at 2, they will either get the best player or 2nd best player in the draft and fill a massive need at DT, they luck out here and get the best player in the draft. 3. Tampa Bay-Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma, Tampa gets one of the DT's which is what they want to make sure they get, here they settle with McCoy who is a very elite prospect in his own right inspite of being overshadowed by Suh. 4. Washington-Jimmy Clausen QB,Notre Dame, Washington has to get a QB and Shanahan gets a very naturally gifted player to mold how he wants here. 5. Kansas City-Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, I don't like this at all but I think this comes down to doing the safe thing. I think this pick is between Okung and McClain and they'll settle on Okung as he has higher positional value and I don't think McClain will test well in workouts. I don't believe the Chiefs will strongly consider Berry in a deep safety class. This to me frankly comes down to Pioli not wanting Cassel to fail and going with the consensus pick as Okung is a pick basically no one will question nationally. 6. Seattle-Eric Berry, S, Tennessee, A team in need of playmakers has the best one in the draft fall right into their laps. 7. Cleveland-Joe Haden, CB, Florida, With a high number of players Cleveland would have coveted gone, they opt to go with the best player left. Wouldn't rule out Dan Williams here. 8. Oakland-Jason Pierre Paul, athletic freak with huge upside and Oakland, enough said. 9. Buffalo-Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee, Switching to 3-4 they opt to build up the defensive line first. Dan Williams in my view is going to be a very high riser and go somewhere in this area. 10. Denver-Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State-with the likely moving of Marshall this pick makes the most sense and is about where Bryant should go. 11. Jacksonville-Derrick Morgan-DE, GT, I'm not personally a big fan of Morgan but he fits what they do and they heavily need an end after the failure of Derrick Harvey to this point. The other best players left are OT's and they covered that last year. 12. Dolphins-Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama, Parcells makes the typical Parcells pick, guy loves LB's and hasn't drafted one in Miami yet. Not to mention they aren't high on Crowder and may be moving on from him. They might consider Kindle here if they sort out the ILB position. 13. San Fran-Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, basically the 49ers get a player with top 10 talent falling into their laps due to the teams in front of them. 14. Seattle-Charles Brown, OT, USC, Brown is a guy I expect to massively rise leading into the draft, he gained weight and is now over 300lbs, he's very athletic, he's a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme that Carroll and Gibbs will employ. 15. New York Giants-Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas- I think Thomas will be viewed by many as a CB but the Giants need playmakers especially in the back 7 on defense. Thomas can either push Michael Johnson to the bench at FS or take over at CB and push Terrell Thomas back to FS. 16. Tennessee-Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida, Physically speaking Dunlap is a top 5 player but is very on and off, the Titans love ends with huge upside and he basically fits the profile of defensive linemen that they take. 17. San Fran-CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson, San Fran is a little torn here on whether to go with Mays or Spiller but they opt for maybe the best playmaker in this draft and he fills several holes for them. 18. Pittsburgh-Taylor Mays, S, USC, Basically a nightmare situation where Mays slides into a perfect situation for him. He will get excellent coaching and form possibility the best safety tandem in the game with Polamalu, outstanding compliments to each other and a very intimidating middle of the field. 19. Atlanta-Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri, Maybe a slight surprise but Weatherspoon is rising fast. With the defense Atlanta plays and the young players they'll be counting on to return this is a solid pick for him, he pairs with Lofton to make a nice young LB duo. 20. Houston-Brian Price, DT, UCLA, Price is a very very good player, outstanding at getting into the backfield, basically spent 3 years living in the opponents backfield in the Pac 10. Houston needed a DT badly to go with their other nice young D personnel is pretty thrilled he's here. 21. Cincy-Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois-Benn has all the physical tools, outstanding size, great speed, great returner, he just comes from playing with Juice Williams and also showed some durability and consistency issues. Cincy badly needs a playmaker on the outside, they opt for the most talented outside player on the board in Rejus. 22. New England-Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State, NE fills one of their needs at 5 tech DE with this pick, Odrick is very naturally gifted, in the mold that NE likes standing at 6'5 and about 300lbs also has a huge frame to grow. Would consider Kindle or Graham here but NE never uses high picks on LB's as Belichick prefers vets there. 23. Green Bay-Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas, Green Bay is thrilled to have him still on the board. Everyone would figure OT here but Ted Thompson is a best player on the board drafter and Kindle is that guy at this point. Should solidly transition to 3-4 OLB with experience as a 4-3 OLB and 4-3 DE. In some ways has similar experience as Clay Matthews did but wasn't as well coached but is more naturally talented, outstanding fit. If Kindle happens to be gone would likely heavily consider Brandon Graham. 24. Philly-Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Knowing what the Eagles value this is where I'd place this pick. They've had a lot of injury issues on the OL and some of their guys are starting to get older, the Eagles value OL more than any other team in the league. If they didn't go OL here I could see them possibly taking Gresham giving them nasty skill position players. 25. Baltimore-Damian Williams, WR, USC, Baltimore desperately needs WR's that can play right now, Williams is very polished, reminds me of a mix of the Giants Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne. So opting for the guy who is ready to contribute right now makes sense here. 26. Arizona-Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan-To good of a value to pass up for a team that needs pass rushers in a bad way. 27. Dallas-Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho, Perfect fit for the system the Cowboys run, would step into LG from day 1 kicking Kosier either off the team or to the bench, he's had serious problems staying healthy. Doug Free is ready to start at RT leaving Flozell Adams as the only OL they need to replace quickly. 28. San Diego-Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Williams falls a bit due to essentially being a RT but San Diego is happy to get him here filling one of their few needs. 29. New York Jets- Brandon Lafell, WR, LSU, The Jets don't have a ton of needs but a WR is a big one and Lafell fits how this team play. He's big, physical and has good hands. Bit of a down senior year but is excellent value here, Tate is also an option but Lafell fits better. 30. Minnesota-Jermaine Gresham, TE, Okahoma, Great value pick, Gresham is a top 15 talent falling to this pick do to injury. 31. Indy-Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland-Campbell may end up as a guard but Indy needs to get some better OL to improve their run game, calculated risk pick here. 32. New Orleans Navarro Bowman, OLB, Penn State, Bowman has some off the field issues but he is a prototype 4-3 OLB. Great natural talent that falls to this pick well worth the risk here. Last edited by Mecca; 02-26-2010 at 06:52 PM..
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Similar size and weight. Seymour is 6'5" 300, Warren is 6'4". One of the reasons why I posted that is to show how Jackson was outperformed by Magee in every area, was just as (more likely less) productive in college, and yet Jackson goes higher because of Pioli's obsession with size. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	They apply it to the entire front 7, give me an undersized LB that has ever played for Parcells or a Parcells tree guy. Brandon Graham's 6'1 height likely has him very low on the Chiefs board.
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