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**chiefforlife** · 03-07-2010, 06:25 PM

Fargas will visit the Chiefs
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2010 7:17 PM ET
Running back Justin Fargas, who was cut by the Raiders for supposedly failing a physical but who claims he didn't, could be getting a chance to take another physical soon.

David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that Fargas will be visiting the Chiefs.

"I was told by [Raiders coach Tom Cable] that they were moving in a different direction," Fargas told White. "They said it was strictly about money. . . . I know some things were put out there, I guess they said I didn't ass [unfortunate typo not narrowly averted] a physical. I'm a little disappointed by the way it happened but I understand it's a business."

He told White that he won't be retiring, and while he says he won't return to the Raiders his agent has been in touch with the 49ers.

And if Fargas is willing to move north, his former college coach could be interested, too.

As to the notion that it was "strictly about money," Fargas was due to earn a base salary of only $755,000 in 2010. That said, there's a chance that he had a roster bonus due.

Per NFLPA records, Fargas was under contract with the Raiders through 2014, with a base salary maxing out at $1.775 million in the final year.

Titty Meat · 03-07-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Yes. We have 22 holes Billay.
No talent with which to build around.

The point is Mic we don't have enough picks to fill all the holes.

Micjones · 03-07-2010, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Did you ever think that Tom Heckert (who exclusively drafted talent for a 4-3 in Philly) and Holmgren (who exclusively ran a 4-3 as a coach) might be setting the stage for a change from a 3-4 to a 4-3?

Very possible.

Beside the point though.

It comes down, again, to an idea that the Chiefs are standing pat while other franchises are setting themselves up nicely in FA. An idea which I honestly have no problem with... But Cleveland is NOT the example I would've used.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-07-2010, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

One of us used the Cleveland Browns as a model for how to appropriately address Free Agency. The other one pointed out the fact that those particular transactions aren't likely to have stellar material results. And went on to suggest that the Draft might present better alternatives for a team in this position (still not quite ready to contend).

And please...for the love of all that is holy...
Please stop with the Internet tough guy shit.
Let's just have a conversation like civil adults shall we?

Again, with the absolutist dipshit tripe.

Did I say these transactions were the fulcrum by which their Super Bowl success will tip?

No.

When have I ever marginalized the importance of the draft? Ever?

At the same time, if you have holes at places like ted backer, right tackle, or backup RB, I'm in no way bothered with addressing much more important positions in the draft.

Again, you are forced to construct a strawman by assuming that this rebuild isn't a multi-year effort.

I don't give a **** if we don't draft a RT or Ted backer this year. I'd much rather invest valuable picks at impact positions. We have 10 picks and about 20 holes.

Not everything has to be fixed now, but if you can find guys like Pashos or Fujita to fill a hole for two years who will 1) play at a decent level and are 2) cheap, then you are working FA correctly.

Put please, continue inventing bullshit to sustain your argument.

Mr. Laz · 03-07-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

If you've read my posts Laz, I've advocated signing him all along if the price is right. That post was for everyone who complained about it.

sorry ... my post was just a general comment for everyone, not directed at you specifically.

Micjones · 03-07-2010, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

The point is Mic we don't have enough picks to fill all the holes.

Tell me, realistically, how many holes we absolutely need to fill?

Titty Meat · 03-07-2010, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

Tell me, realistically, how many holes we absolutely need to fill?

Atogwae & Walters would have filled 2 holes nicely. Then I would fill the rest via the draft. Maybe sign a guy on the d-line thats a nice rotational player, the d-line is almost set.

milkman · 03-07-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Cute, you net thugs slay me...

You fail at critical thought.
Why would we opt for a stop-gap at a position where we could find a long-term solution come April?
Don't worry...I'll wait.

Well, let me think about this for a second.

Let's see.

We need,

Center
RG
RT
Two Wrs
NT
Two ILBs
OLB
Two safeties
CB

We have,
A first
Two seconds,
A third
A Fourth
Two Fifths

In the draft.

You do the math.

**DeezNutz** · 03-07-2010, 07:23 PM

QB, NT, Rush LB, Safety, ILB, KR/PR, C, RG, RT, WR, RB

**chiefforlife** · 03-07-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

We're bringing Thomas Jones in on Monday.
Fargas is also being lined up.

We need someone to support and spell Charles.
Seems to me like they're doing that.

I will give you Thomas Jones, he would be an exceptional pick up. (havent signed him yet) But I wouldnt put Fargas as a second tier guy.

Mr. Laz · 03-07-2010, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

Atogwae & Walters would have filled 2 holes nicely. Then I would fill the rest via the draft. Maybe sign a guy on the d-line thats a nice rotational player, the d-line is almost set.

it's frustrating that we seem to be determined to avoid spending any real money on free agency.

in new england they generally always cheaped by in FA and it was successful so Pioli thinks he can do the same thing here. I just don't see it.

Micjones · 03-07-2010, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

At the same time, if you have holes at places like ted backer, right tackle, or backup RB, I'm in no way bothered with addressing much more important positions in the draft.

Neither am I, but I'm certainly not going to flip shit about passing on a LB who's approaching 30. Not when there's a better, cheaper alternative available 7 weeks from now.

Quote:

Again, you are forced to construct a strawman by assuming that this rebuild isn't a multi-year effort.

If I favor using the Draft over signing a 30-year LB I don't understand that it's going to take several years to rebuild this team? Got ya...

Quote:

Put please, continue inventing bullshit to sustain your argument.

You do a fine job of that all on your own sir.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-07-2010, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

Tell me, realistically, how many holes we absolutely need to fill?

QB
RB2
WR2
WR3
C
RG
RT
NT
ILB (x2)
OLB
FS
SS

And that's just starters that desperately need to be upgraded. (Obviously not counting RB2)

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-07-2010, 07:26 PM

I've advocated the draft as the only way to build a team that is a championship contender. However, I realize that draft picks do not always work, nor should you stop looking to other areas for help.

So, with that said:

Why sign a 32 year old Thomas Jones when you can sign a 27 year old Mike Bell to perform the same role (and suffer little to no drop off in production at a low price)?

Why not pursue a guy like OJ Atogwe, who is both of a reasonable age (28) and not pursuing a monster deal?

Why not look at a guy like Pashos for a couple million per year instead of investing that same amount in Ndukwe and O'Callaghan, both players we know can't play the position?

Why resign Mike Vrabel when he was a pouting bitch and a broke dick mother****er last year?

Why not look at a guy like Dwan Edwards, who is a cheap and ideal 2 gap DE, instead of some Patriots scrub like LeKevin Smith?

milkman · 03-07-2010, 07:26 PM

For the record, I'm giving Tamba Hali and Matt Cassel a pass in that list of needs.

I absolutely believe those are positions of need, but that is another debate entirely.

Titty Meat · 03-07-2010, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

it's frustrating that we seem to be determined to avoid spending any real money on free agency.

in new england they generally always cheaped by in FA and it was successful so Pioli thinks he can do the same thing here. I just don't see it.

Well heres the thing when New England signed guys they took risks that paid off big. Signing Otagwe right now is a risk as he's injured. I think the tender on him is like 1.2 mil or something. I'd roll the dice and offer 3-4 mil per. If you land a safety of his caliber paying that much it's a steal.

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