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TRR · 04-18-2010, 10:56 AM

Not sure if it has been posted.....

Chiefs Are 'Badly' Trying To Trade Down To Middle Of First*Round

by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2010 10:34 AM CDT in 2010 Campaign

Last year about this time, Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post first reported that the Chiefs were "in love" with LSU DE Tyson Jackson. A few days later and Jackson was the Chiefs pick in the draft.

Now Lombardi reports that the Chiefs are trying like hell to move down in the draft.

"The Chiefs are trying, and I mean really trying, to move down," Lombardi reports. "My sources tell me they'll be willing to go down as far as 15 for the right deal because they feel they can find a player in that range."

It's a fine line between trading down and trading down too far. According to Lombardi, our theory of the Eagles offering up the 24th and 37th picks for the Chiefs fifth pick doesn't look like it's happening. By staying around 15, they can still have a shot at a game changer -- Alabama LB Rolando McClain and Texas S Earl Thomas come to mind here -- as well as picking up extra selections.

That said, who's the Chiefs trading partner? SB Nation's Mocking The Draft takes an excellent look at this situation and comes to the conclusion that San Francisco might be the only team in that area that has a chance of moving up.

Lombardi reports the Chiefs are hoping someone wants to get in line to pick Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen.

ChiefMojo · 04-18-2010, 11:44 AM

That is what I don't get... why do some of you think just because we don't take Berry or Clausen that guys like McClain, Spoon, Thomas, etc. are garbage? There isn't much difference to many between Berry and Thomas. Some worry we would be reaching for McClain at #5, but if we trade back then it makes sense for McClain or Spoon. It isn't we are being cheap, we are getting players nearly equal of talent, but also adding another top of the line draft pick.

We have a lot of holes to fill and it isn't stupid to take Thomas/another early pick over Berry. Sure I want Berry as well, but Thomas isn't crap, but a VERY GOOD player himself.

milkman · 04-18-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Look at what Pioli has done in his first full year.

Haley
Weis
Crennel

Chambers
Weigeman
Lilja
T.Jones

LJ Canned

ALL Solid Moves

09 Draft, Tyson Jackson ? I think we'll be happy in the foreseeable future with him

There is absolutely NO reason to say Pioli isn't doing things right. You'll see a solid draft this year but people who think Eric Berry is Jesus just don't look at the big picture.

If I look at what Pioli has done his first full year, I fire his dumb ass, yesterday.

This offseason has been better than his first offseason, and season, but he has a hell of a long way to go to show me that he isn't just some dumbass that exemplifies the Peter Principle.

Mr. Laz · 04-18-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Honestly, if we trade down and draft Taylor Mays I'll be thrilled. I think he'll be the best safety out of this class anyways.

/Ducks

OMG

i just don't know what the hell you guys see in Mays.

**dirk digler** · 04-18-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i think a coupon for a bill parcell's back rub and an italian sausage is all it will take....

I hope not I really want Berry. I wish Thursday would hurry up and get here.

**DeezNutz** · 04-18-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Good thing you jack off hogs for a living.

Having a Top 5 pick and only getting Thomas, Williams or Mays - and a 2nd and/or 3rd round pick to show for it - is criminal.

One of the funnier opening sentences I've seen in awhile.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-18-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

OMG

i just don't know what the hell you guys see in Mays.

A genetic freak with no ceiling.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-18-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

That is what I don't get... why do some of you think just because we don't take Berry or Clausen that guys like McClain, Spoon, Thomas, etc. are garbage? There isn't much difference to many between Berry and Thomas. Some worry we would be reaching for McClain at #5, but if we trade back then it makes sense for McClain or Spoon. It isn't we are being cheap, we are getting players nearly equal of talent, but also adding another top of the line draft pick.

We have a lot of holes to fill and it isn't stupid to take Thomas/another early pick over Berry. Sure I want Berry as well, but Thomas isn't crap, but a VERY GOOD player himself.

Blah, blah, blah.

Thomas isn't close in my eyes to Berry.

I'd also be very very leery of Texas safeties in the NFL. Huff and Michael Griffin have been pure trash in the NFL.

You don't think we are getting cheap with this payroll? Really? Did you live under a rock the last year and a half?

So translation? We have a lot of holes to fill, but we need quantity instead of top quality. Thank you for repeating the constant mantra of Chiefs fans for the last 10 years. Who needs studs when we can have good players?

**Rain Man** · 04-18-2010, 11:47 AM

I guess I should say too that a trade down is fine if we absolutely sodomize some team that has a crush on a player. I recognize that there are some trades that simply can't be turned down because the odds are too good that you'll win. It's fine to go fishing for that.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 04-18-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Honestly, if we trade down and draft Taylor Mays I'll be thrilled. I think he'll be the best safety out of this class anyways.

/Ducks

I was just thinking this. 2 months ago everybody was fighting over who was better Berry or Mays.

Now nobody talks about Mays and everybody wants Berry.

Who's to say which will be better Berry,Mays or Thomas. Nobody ****in knows.

Every year there is a player that gets so much hype ala Aaron Curry. Well Brian Cushing blew his shit away now didn't he.

If Pioli can trade down and get a solid player in the middle ala Tomas or Mays and pick up a 2nd rd starter then the Chiefs will be a better team.

Mr. Laz · 04-18-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

A genetic freak with no ceiling.

football player > genetic freak

**DeezNutz** · 04-18-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Apparently.

PhilFree

.

It's a process.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-18-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

football player > genetic freak

But I think Taylor Mays is a football player. Keep in mind Laz, unlike everyone else here, I've been watching him play since he was 14. He's from my home town.

And hey, I'm not a pro. I've missed on plenty of prospects. Just my opinion.

**Rain Man** · 04-18-2010, 11:51 AM

I swear, if some of you guys were in Green Bay in 1959 you would've run Vince Lombardi out of town. You can't judge guys based on one year of history.

Ralphy Boy · 04-18-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

What do you think about changing the layout to have one forum for non-football stuff (the lounge) and one forum for football and draft stuff (yet to be named) and getting rid of the draft forum?

I'm all for it. I could care less to filter out a bunch of threads that have nothing to do with football. Right now the first page threads in the lounge that aren't football related total total around 18 to 20. Football related 5 or 6.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He's a good ILB. But given that ILBs have low positional value and that he's not what you'd consider elite, passing up on an elite player like Berry for him is stupid, unless you get tremendous trade value.

Our run defense is one of the worst in the league because we don't have a Nose Tackle that can take on 3 blockers and keep them off of the ILB. I still believe ILB is one of the least important positions in this defense. If Tyson Jackson and Dorsey improve and we get a legit Nose Tackle, between Demorrio, DJ, Mays, and Belcher, we can probably find a set of ILBs who do their job just fine.

I'm all for Dan Williams if we traded down with San Fran and I knew he would be there at 13.

**DeezNutz** · 04-18-2010, 11:52 AM

People, calm down.

This is an evaluation draft.

04-18-2010, 10:56 AM
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9420185	Chiefs Are 'Badly' Trying To Trade Down To Middle Of First Round Not sure if it has been posted..... Chiefs Are 'Badly' Trying To Trade Down To Middle Of First*Round by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2010 10:34 AM CDT in 2010 Campaign Last year about this time, Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post first reported that the Chiefs were "in love" with LSU DE Tyson Jackson. A few days later and Jackson was the Chiefs pick in the draft. Now Lombardi reports that the Chiefs are trying like hell to move down in the draft. "The Chiefs are trying, and I mean really trying, to move down," Lombardi reports. "My sources tell me they'll be willing to go down as far as 15 for the right deal because they feel they can find a player in that range." It's a fine line between trading down and trading down too far. According to Lombardi, our theory of the Eagles offering up the 24th and 37th picks for the Chiefs fifth pick doesn't look like it's happening. By staying around 15, they can still have a shot at a game changer -- Alabama LB Rolando McClain and Texas S Earl Thomas come to mind here -- as well as picking up extra selections. That said, who's the Chiefs trading partner? SB Nation's Mocking The Draft takes an excellent look at this situation and comes to the conclusion that San Francisco might be the only team in that area that has a chance of moving up. Lombardi reports the Chiefs are hoping someone wants to get in line to pick Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen.
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04-18-2010, 11:44 AM	#61
ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	That is what I don't get... why do some of you think just because we don't take Berry or Clausen that guys like McClain, Spoon, Thomas, etc. are garbage? There isn't much difference to many between Berry and Thomas. Some worry we would be reaching for McClain at #5, but if we trade back then it makes sense for McClain or Spoon. It isn't we are being cheap, we are getting players nearly equal of talent, but also adding another top of the line draft pick. We have a lot of holes to fill and it isn't stupid to take Thomas/another early pick over Berry. Sure I want Berry as well, but Thomas isn't crap, but a VERY GOOD player himself.
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04-18-2010, 11:47 AM	#68
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-772449 VARSITY	I guess I should say too that a trade down is fine if we absolutely sodomize some team that has a crush on a player. I recognize that there are some trades that simply can't be turned down because the odds are too good that you'll win. It's fine to go fishing for that. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-18-2010, 11:51 AM	#73
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-772449 VARSITY	I swear, if some of you guys were in Green Bay in 1959 you would've run Vince Lombardi out of town. You can't judge guys based on one year of history. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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