Weiss told Fox to take Clausen - Page 5

Chiefnj2 · 04-27-2010, 10:27 AM

It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless:

In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis, his good friend and the former Irish coach. Weis and Fox are close. Fox is sure Weis wouldn't lie to him. "Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.' Everyone I talked to, including a couple of people at Notre Dame, said the character issue was b.s. So we picked him.''

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**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn fell into the early 20s...

Clausen fell to the middle of the 2nd round...

BIG DIFFERENCE...

Feel free to ignore the rest of the post.

And feel free to name the teams that had a desperate need at QB.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

So Weis...his head coach...praised him to scouts on all accounts yet he still fell to the middle of the 2nd round...

what does that tell you?

It tells me:

a) There were fewer than a handful of teams that felt they needed a QB.

b) That a few teams that we would all think needed a QB, KC included, made a mistake in passing on him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-27-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

So Bill Belichick has a pretty high opinion of Weis, no?

Belichick has a pretty high opinion of Pioli, no?

You really think of Weis was telling Pioli that he knew, 100%, Clausen was going to be as good as Tom Brady...that Pioli wouldn't have said, "ok, fine...we'll take him!"

You're an idiot.

A ****ING COLOSSAL IDIOT.

He was passed on...

FORTY-SEVEN TIMES

Clearly...

CLEARLY

The NFL does not project him to be a franchise QB...

What else do you need? Tim Tebow was taken ahead of him...he went 48th overall and no one even traded up to get him...they let him fall to the Panthers...

NO ONE wanted him.

Done.

Case closed.

Hootie, you're an evangelical of the Church of ****tardery.

Much like a religious nutjob, no amount of evidence matters, and no claim, no matter how well substantiated and logical, will budge you from your "faith".

You have no understanding of logic, as all of your posts are completely fallacious, contradictory, and the evidence is simultaneously insufficient, inaccurate, atypical, and irrelevant.

I can't imagine that you've ever taken a single course in critical thinking, argumentative writing, or logic at the college level, because the only thing you build your arguments on are what you believe.

Now, explain this one to me:

If the Panthers didn't really want Clausen that much, why did they call up to the Rams and try and trade up for him?

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Feel free to ignore the rest of the post.

And feel free to name the teams that had a desperate need at QB.

Patriots
Bills
Dolphins
Redskins
Eagles
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Seahawks
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Vikings
Panthers
Jaguars
Titans
Bucs

If any of those teams graded Clausen as a potential franchise QB, they could have all EASILY justified spending a 30-45 on their future QB...

Just like Chiefs fans claimed we should have done with Rodgers the year we drafted Johnson even though Green had a good 3-5 years left in him at that time.

**Lzen** · 04-27-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What's going to be really fun is comparing Cassel and Clausen for the next 4-5 years.

Oh and I'm sure now someone will tell me to go become a Panther's fan.....

What if Cassel out performs Clausen in the next 4-5 years? What then?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-27-2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

So Weis...his head coach...praised him to scouts on all accounts yet he still fell to the middle of the 2nd round...

what does that tell you?

That correlation does not imply causation and that depth at WR is not a linear relationship to depth at QB.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Patriots
Bills
Dolphins
Redskins
Eagles
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Seahawks
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Vikings
Panthers
Jaguars
Titans
Bucs

If any of those teams graded Clausen as a potential franchise QB, they could have all EASILY justified spending a 30-45 on their future QB...

Just like Chiefs fans claimed we should have done with Rodgers the year we drafted Johnson even though Green had a good 3-5 years left in him at that time.

Jesus Christ, this post reeks of stupidity.

Hootie · 04-27-2010, 11:56 AM

and by my count, that's NINETEEN teams that could have drafted Clausen...

If teams really thought he had franchise QB ability...and he slipped that far relative to their draft boards...

He had awesome value to 19 teams...especially teams where they already have a QB in place so he can develop for a few years a la Aaron Rodgers.

APPARENTLY...

No one thought he was who the "experts" thought he was, as evidenced by his fall to #48...

I don't know how else to explain it...clearly you morons don't understand.

**The Franchise** · 04-27-2010, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen

What if Cassel out performs Clausen in the next 4-5 years? What then?

Then I'll admit my mistake. I've admitted mistakes in the past and I can do it again.

The same can't be said about the fans who will repeatedly come up with excuses for Matt Cassel.

If Sanchez or Clausen out perform Cassel over the next 5 years it will because of the teams around them....not the QB.

**The Franchise** · 04-27-2010, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Bills
Redskins
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Vikings
Panthers
Jaguars

Those are the teams that could have taken Clausen.

You're an idiot for suggesting that the Bucs or Ravens need a QB.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-27-2010, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Patriots
Bills
Dolphins
Redskins
Eagles
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Seahawks
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Vikings
Panthers
Jaguars
Titans
Bucs

If any of those teams graded Clausen as a potential franchise QB, they could have all EASILY justified spending a 30-45 on their future QB...

Just like Chiefs fans claimed we should have done with Rodgers the year we drafted Johnson even though Green had a good 3-5 years left in him at that time.

I'm sure that the Bucs are going to give up on Josh Freeman after one year, the Redskins are going to come up and get Clausen with no picks from five through the end of the third round, that the Steelers and Ravens are going to give up on their QBs, the Bengals have one of the highest paid QBs in the league and a small payroll, the Titans' QB just took them to like 8-2 over the last ten games and the coach is coaching for his job, the Jaguars drafted Tyson Alualu at 10, FFS, the Dolphins are "sold" on Chad Henne.

Realistically, the argument that you should focus on is why San Fran, Buffalo, and Cleveland passed on him.

All would do a much better job of proving your point, but all also have rebuttals that need to be taken into account as well.

Amnorix · 04-27-2010, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And people will still believe that Weis didn't want him, and that Pioli really does listen to his coaching staff.

**** it.

Good luck to the kid. He landed in a pretty good situation. The only real concern is the possibility of a coaching change next year.

Just wanted to note that talking up Clausen to a friend who has a serious issue at QB isn't the same as saying that he likes him more than he likes Cassel. There's just no info on that.

If Weis came back to the Patriots and talked up Clausen to Fox, does that that mean that Weis thought he should be drafted to replace Brady?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 11:59 AM

Hell, by that logic, there's 32 teams that COULD have drafted Clausen.

There are less than 5 that have a desperate enough need to use a high pick on a QB in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory.

You really need to take your meds, this is embarrassing.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm sure that the Bucs are going to give up on Josh Freeman after one year, the Redskins are going to come up and get Clausen with no picks from five through the end of the third round, that the Steelers and Ravens are going to give up on their QBs, the Bengals have one of the highest paid QBs in the league and a small payroll, the Titans' QB just took them to like 8-2 over the last ten games and the coach is coaching for his job, the Jaguars drafted Tyson Alualu at 10, FFS, the Dolphins are "sold" on Chad Henne.

Realistically, the argument that you should focus on is why San Fran, Buffalo, and Cleveland passed on him.

All would do a much better job of proving your point, but all also have rebuttals that need to be taken into account as well.

Exactly.

But that doesn't help his argument.

**The Franchise** · 04-27-2010, 12:01 PM

The Redskins didn't have a 2nd round pick and they weren't taking Clausen at #4.

The Cardinals signed Derek Anderson in the offseason and were more than willing to let Leinart have his shot.

The 49ers passed....I'm assuming because they think that this is Alex Smith's final year to prove he can do it.

The Broncos drafted Tebow.

The Raiders obviously were fine with Gradkowski and then went out and traded for Campbell.

The Vikings have Sage Rosenfels (trade) and Jackson who they just re-signed.

The Jaguars didn't have a 2nd round pick and were obviously in love with Alulua (sp?).

04-27-2010, 10:27 AM
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Weiss told Fox to take Clausen It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless: In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis, his good friend and the former Irish coach. Weis and Fox are close. Fox is sure Weis wouldn't lie to him. "Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.' Everyone I talked to, including a couple of people at Notre Dame, said the character issue was b.s. So we picked him.'' Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz0mJoaVIf1 Get a free NFL Team Jacket and Tee with SI Subscription
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04-27-2010, 11:56 AM	#68
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and by my count, that's NINETEEN teams that could have drafted Clausen... If teams really thought he had franchise QB ability...and he slipped that far relative to their draft boards... He had awesome value to 19 teams...especially teams where they already have a QB in place so he can develop for a few years a la Aaron Rodgers. APPARENTLY... No one thought he was who the "experts" thought he was, as evidenced by his fall to #48... I don't know how else to explain it...clearly you morons don't understand.
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04-27-2010, 11:59 AM	#73
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2041115	Hell, by that logic, there's 32 teams that COULD have drafted Clausen. There are less than 5 that have a desperate enough need to use a high pick on a QB in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. You really need to take your meds, this is embarrassing.
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04-27-2010, 12:01 PM	#75
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2055047	The Redskins didn't have a 2nd round pick and they weren't taking Clausen at #4. The Cardinals signed Derek Anderson in the offseason and were more than willing to let Leinart have his shot. The 49ers passed....I'm assuming because they think that this is Alex Smith's final year to prove he can do it. The Broncos drafted Tebow. The Raiders obviously were fine with Gradkowski and then went out and traded for Campbell. The Vikings have Sage Rosenfels (trade) and Jackson who they just re-signed. The Jaguars didn't have a 2nd round pick and were obviously in love with Alulua (sp?).
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