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Ralphy Boy · 08-29-2010, 03:39 PM

The Sheffield injury was awful, but I thought it was very cool to see the players go out on the field in prayer. In our culture and media today we seldom see religious expression and I was rather proud to see my favorite team, in a sport I love so much, do this.

I couldn't help but wonder if an injury occured on a movie set whether the cast and crew would have done the same.

Very happy to see that he is alright.

GoHuge · 08-29-2010, 06:11 PM

Well hey there's no harm in praying. After all what do you really risk? As long as you're not facing east and rocking back and forth humming and looking like you're having convulsions five times a day while facing a black rock that you're supposed to go and walk around like a herd of sheep once a year it doesn't bother me, but those ****ers you gotta keep an eye on...............well I guess that goes for any extremeist (regardless of belief system or ideology). Sorry I'm well aware this really wasn't the time or place for this rant, but after the things I studied this weekend and being with my brother for the last week (who works for the DOD and just got back from Afghanistan) I have a new found appreciation for how ****ed up those people are.

OK sorry again! Just needed to decompress. Rant over............moving along........nothing to see here.

milkman · 08-29-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott

I don't know if he hates football, but I'm pretty certain he hates the Chiefs.

Well, yeah, he's God.

He's known for eons that his son would be a Donkey.

Ralphy Boy · 08-29-2010, 06:13 PM

I really didn't intend to turn this into a debate. My religious views are not like most. I believe there is a God but he has given us free will, so we do stupid crap all the time like hopping into a car drunk, sleeping around on our spouses or stealing. We might get into a wreck and kill ourselves or someone else, we might get an STD or go to jail. How much prayer is going to help with any of those, I really don't know.

Religion and God are two very different things IMO. Religion has been used as an excuse for killing people for thousands of years, but it has also been the source of feeding and caring for millions. I've always thought and wrote a paper on it in a philosophy class, that the roots of modern religion were created by men with good intentions to create order/law in a world filled with chaos and to try to understand creation. That, in and of itself, doesn't mean that there isn't a higher power.
To me it means that simple humans trying to understand something that is beyond their comprehension is an almost impossible effort but that doesn't make the "trying" a waste of time.

"Do good unto others" is a pretty simple code to live by and pretty much covers the intent of the 10 commandments. People spending money that they don't have to pay for the Jim Bakker's of the world infuriates me to no end. I recently heard that the pastor of a well known Assembly of God church in the area makes $750,000 a year. That's absurd by any count. How can a pastor stand before a congregation and ask them to give money to a church when he is the biggest expense that church has?

I don't believe that we have God or religion figured out, but I do believe he exists and I'd rather live my life knowing there is something more than death at the end of this journey.

Hammock Parties · 08-29-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

I believe there is a God but he has given us free will, so we do stupid crap all the time

GoHuge · 08-29-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

I really didn't intend to turn this into a debate.

To me it means that simple humans trying to understand something that is beyond their comprehension is an almost impossible effort but that doesn't make the "trying" a waste of time.

No, but it's still stupid

!

Nah you're good man. I am proud of The Lounge crowd because this conversation hasn't turned into the downward swirling toilet bowl that it would be in DC. See who says the commoners can't have a rational discussion with differing opinions?? Apparently we can as long as it doesn't have anything to do with Matt Cassel, Dayton Moore, treatment of n00bs, or KU, K-State, and Mizzou.

JD10367 · 08-29-2010, 06:41 PM

Seriously?

I don't know if there's a God, but I don't think He cares much what happens down here.

However, that doesn't mean I don't believe there might be something in the positive power of prayer, not only the effect it might have in the person praying but the effect it might have on a person being prayed for by a group. We only use around 10% of our brains. (Many of us, quite a bit less than that. Some, apparently, barely at all.) But who knows what the rest of it can do? I don't think anything's off the table--telekinesis, precognition, psychic powers, whatever--so who's to say people who truly believe in it can't focus positive energy through thought? Much like the general belief in God, if we can't disprove it as impossible, then anything's possible.

Ralphy Boy · 08-29-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoHuge39

No, but it's still stupid

!

Nah you're good man. I am proud of The Lounge crowd because this conversation hasn't turned into the downward swirling toilet bowl that it would be in DC. See who says the commoners can't have a rational discussion with differing opinions?? Apparently we can as long as it doesn't have anything to do with Matt Cassel, Dayton Moore, treatment of n00bs, or KU, K-State, and Mizzou.

God knows I've said plenty of unanswered prayers for that one.

April 2009: Please God, let Matt Cassel be the savior of our franchise.
September 2009:Please God, give Matt someone who can catch.
October 2009: Please God, give Matt some protection on the offensive line.
November 2009: Please God don't let Matt throw another pick.
December 2009: Please God just don't let Matt lose the game for us.
April 2010: Please God let us draft Jimmy Clausen

Wow! I guess prayer really doesn't work.

Obviously I'm kidding. I don't think God could care less about how good of a QB Matt is and I'm quite certain he doesn't care how good the Chiefs are.

JD10367 · 08-29-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

God knows I've said plenty of unanswered prayers for that one.

April 2009: Please God, let Matt Cassel be the savior of our franchise.
September 2009:Please God, give Matt someone who can catch.
October 2009: Please God, give Matt some protection on the offensive line.
November 2009: Please God don't let Matt throw another pick.
December 2009: Please God just don't let Matt lose the game for us.
April 2010: Please God let us draft Jimmy Clausen

Wow! I guess prayer really doesn't work.

Obviously I'm kidding. I don't think God could care less about how good of a QB Matt is and I'm quite certain he doesn't care how good the Chiefs are.

How DARE you think that YOUR prayer is so worthy that it overrules someone elses?!?

September 2008: Please God, let someone take Tom Brady out so I can start a ****ing game.
October 2008: Please God, let me play balls to the wall all year so I can impress the shit out of someone and make a ton of dough.
February 2009: Please God, let Scott Pioli get shitfaced and sign me to an obscene deal.

**Bearcat** · 08-29-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Think of amen as the submit button. If you don't say it, the message doesn't get posted.

Dear God, please give our leaders the vision to create a better health care system and give Obama strength, amen.

God: WRONG FORUM, ASSHOLE!!

KC native · 08-29-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GoHuge39

Well hey there's no harm in praying. After all what do you really risk? As long as you're not facing east and rocking back and forth humming and looking like you're having convulsions five times a day while facing a black rock that you're supposed to go and walk around like a herd of sheep once a year it doesn't bother me, but those ****ers you gotta keep an eye on...............well I guess that goes for any extremeist (regardless of belief system or ideology). Sorry I'm well aware this really wasn't the time or place for this rant, but after the things I studied this weekend and being with my brother for the last week (who works for the DOD and just got back from Afghanistan) I have a new found appreciation for how ****ed up those people are.

OK sorry again! Just needed to decompress. Rant over............moving along........nothing to see here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoHuge39

. I am proud of The Lounge crowd because this conversation hasn't turned into the downward swirling toilet bowl that it would be in DC. See who says the commoners can't have a rational discussion with differing opinions??

Yea, with the exception of your comments it has been a decent conversation. You are aware that Muslims are praying to the same dog er sorry god you are right?

KC native · 08-29-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Dear God, please give our leaders the vision to create a better health care system and give Obama strength, amen.

God: WRONG FORUM, ASSHOLE!!

CaliforniaChief · 08-29-2010, 08:03 PM

You people want proof? I just prayed that Jesus would appear to all of you reprobates and wouldn't you know it? I turn on Fox and see #15 doing his thing.

Oucho Cinco · 08-29-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I thought it was a nice gesture of respect. Obviously there is zero value in the actual prayer mechanism, but it was a nice show of respect for a fallen brother.

Oh ye of little, or in your case no, faith.

FAX · 08-29-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

How do you figure prayer works? If 300,000,000 catholics pray for the pope to get better and he dies, how do you figure it functions in anyway other than psychologically?

There have been a few studies done, Mr. Dave Lane ... as I'm sure you're aware. A couple have been countered or debunked, of course, based on unscientific testing standards or lack or control groups or insufficient sampling or whatever. However, one of the most interesting ones was a blind prayer exercise for primates (sick monkeys, I think it was ... just going on memory here). Anyhow, a bunch of people prayed for certain of the monkeys and the control group remained ill or died poor little sad monkey deaths, but the "prayed-for" monkeys significantly improved. The idea was that the monkeys had no idea they were being prayed for ... unlike humans might.

Crazy.

FAX

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-29-2010, 09:03 PM

I'm always surprised at the disconnect of people from Chiefsplanet to actual high school, college and NFL players.

A GREAT number of these guys are part of the FCA, or Fellowship of Christian Athletes. There's definitely something about playing and depending on your teammates and Christianity that binds these guys together. Everyone that I know that played NCAA Division I, D-II and in the NFL were part of that organization.

Now with that said, I'm not stating that EVERY NFL player is an active, practicing Christian, but I'd wager that more than 60% fit that category. So, it's not at all surprising that guys knelt down and prayed for a fallen friend.

Regardless of one's faith, there is evidence that like-minded people that bind their thoughts together can make a change.

It's all up to the individual to decide if their faith and spirituality play a role.

It's not for me to decide or judge.

08-29-2010, 03:39 PM
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Religion in Kc/football/sports/ The Sheffield injury was awful, but I thought it was very cool to see the players go out on the field in prayer. In our culture and media today we seldom see religious expression and I was rather proud to see my favorite team, in a sport I love so much, do this. I couldn't help but wonder if an injury occured on a movie set whether the cast and crew would have done the same. Very happy to see that he is alright.
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08-29-2010, 06:11 PM	#61
GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	Well hey there's no harm in praying. After all what do you really risk? As long as you're not facing east and rocking back and forth humming and looking like you're having convulsions five times a day while facing a black rock that you're supposed to go and walk around like a herd of sheep once a year it doesn't bother me, but those **ers you gotta keep an eye on...............well I guess that goes for any extremeist (regardless of belief system or ideology). Sorry I'm well aware this really wasn't the time or place for this rant, but after the things I studied this weekend and being with my brother for the last week (who works for the DOD and just got back from Afghanistan) I have a new found appreciation for how **ed up those people are. OK sorry again! Just needed to decompress. Rant over............moving along........nothing to see here.
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08-29-2010, 06:13 PM	#63
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I really didn't intend to turn this into a debate. My religious views are not like most. I believe there is a God but he has given us free will, so we do stupid crap all the time like hopping into a car drunk, sleeping around on our spouses or stealing. We might get into a wreck and kill ourselves or someone else, we might get an STD or go to jail. How much prayer is going to help with any of those, I really don't know. Religion and God are two very different things IMO. Religion has been used as an excuse for killing people for thousands of years, but it has also been the source of feeding and caring for millions. I've always thought and wrote a paper on it in a philosophy class, that the roots of modern religion were created by men with good intentions to create order/law in a world filled with chaos and to try to understand creation. That, in and of itself, doesn't mean that there isn't a higher power. To me it means that simple humans trying to understand something that is beyond their comprehension is an almost impossible effort but that doesn't make the "trying" a waste of time. "Do good unto others" is a pretty simple code to live by and pretty much covers the intent of the 10 commandments. People spending money that they don't have to pay for the Jim Bakker's of the world infuriates me to no end. I recently heard that the pastor of a well known Assembly of God church in the area makes $750,000 a year. That's absurd by any count. How can a pastor stand before a congregation and ask them to give money to a church when he is the biggest expense that church has? I don't believe that we have God or religion figured out, but I do believe he exists and I'd rather live my life knowing there is something more than death at the end of this journey.
Posts: 5,088

08-29-2010, 06:41 PM	#66
JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	Seriously? I don't know if there's a God, but I don't think He cares much what happens down here. However, that doesn't mean I don't believe there might be something in the positive power of prayer, not only the effect it might have in the person praying but the effect it might have on a person being prayed for by a group. We only use around 10% of our brains. (Many of us, quite a bit less than that. Some, apparently, barely at all.) But who knows what the rest of it can do? I don't think anything's off the table--telekinesis, precognition, psychic powers, whatever--so who's to say people who truly believe in it can't focus positive energy through thought? Much like the general belief in God, if we can't disprove it as impossible, then anything's possible.
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08-29-2010, 08:03 PM	#72
CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $10545899	You people want proof? I just prayed that Jesus would appear to all of you reprobates and wouldn't you know it? I turn on Fox and see #15 doing his thing.
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08-29-2010, 09:03 PM	#75
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	I'm always surprised at the disconnect of people from Chiefsplanet to actual high school, college and NFL players. A GREAT number of these guys are part of the FCA, or Fellowship of Christian Athletes. There's definitely something about playing and depending on your teammates and Christianity that binds these guys together. Everyone that I know that played NCAA Division I, D-II and in the NFL were part of that organization. Now with that said, I'm not stating that EVERY NFL player is an active, practicing Christian, but I'd wager that more than 60% fit that category. So, it's not at all surprising that guys knelt down and prayed for a fallen friend. Regardless of one's faith, there is evidence that like-minded people that bind their thoughts together can make a change. It's all up to the individual to decide if their faith and spirituality play a role. It's not for me to decide or judge.
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