Chiefs Jovan Belcher, a gem found in the rough ? - Page 5

royr17 · 02-10-2011, 05:18 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/nfl/kc/?r=1

ESPN.com's Bill Williamson and Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believe the Chiefs have found a "gem" in ILB Jovan Belcher.

Belcher was primarily a special teamer as an undrafted rookie in 2009. He graduated to full-time starter in 2010, racking up 84 tackles. "He's a heavier guy who is a good banger in the 3-4 defense," Matt Williamson said. "He seems like a hard-nosed guy who has made the best of opportunity." Expect Belcher to remain in the same role next season.

**the Talking Can** · 02-10-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Just jumping in here haven't read it all but why the hell would you lose 30lbs during the season? They practice and work out way less during the season than they do in camp. Chances are you would put on weight right?

The only way that would work is if you have to work your ass off to put on weight and I don't see that making a 30lb difference anyway. Maybe 10.

jesus **** people read the thread

that's what fake football guy said...

**the Talking Can** · 02-10-2011, 09:51 PM

for some reason the quote function isn't working on your post

"Read the thread? I just went back and read the posts and nowhere does it say he lost 30lbs like you suggested."

anyways, i flipped the 2 years he mentioned...he started 242 one year, finshed at 230 (his real weight)...started at 252 last year (the number i was looking at)

the point stands....his listed weight everywhere is around 230...he's admitted finishing seasons at 230....bulking up to come into camp at 240-250 doesn't mean anything...you're losing it immediately and playing the season closer to your ACTUAL weight...230...

jesus, i like the kid...but he isn't playing at 250...by his own damn admission...

KCrockaholic · 02-10-2011, 09:55 PM

This is a really stupid discussion at this point. It doesn't matter how much he weighs. He's a helluva good young player.

Marcellus · 02-10-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

for some reason the quote function isn't working on your post

"Read the thread? I just went back and read the posts and nowhere does it say he lost 30lbs like you suggested."

anyways, i flipped the 2 years he mentioned...he started 242 one year, finshed at 230 (his real weight)...started at 252 last year (the number i was looking at)

the point stands....his listed weight everywhere is around 230...he's admitted finishing seasons at 230....bulking up to come into camp at 240-250 doesn't mean anything...you're losing it immediately and playing the season closer to your ACTUAL weight...230...

jesus, i like the kid...but he isn't playing at 250...by his own damn admission...

I went back and found what you were referring too.

I think he is alright too not bashing him.

Guardian says he lost 12lbs his first year, not unheard of. Went in heavier this year so his point is he should have been around 240 end of the season.

You can't lose 30lbs during the season unless you were roiding or something in the off season or caught a disease.

Regardless I think going into year 3 he looks ok. We seem to give up on players too soon. Especially LB's.

He doesn't have to be a star just a good player.

Marcellus · 02-10-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

This is a really stupid discussion at this point. It doesn't matter how much he weighs. He's a helluva good young player.

Yes.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

for some reason the quote function isn't working on your post

"Read the thread? I just went back and read the posts and nowhere does it say he lost 30lbs like you suggested."

anyways, i flipped the 2 years he mentioned...he started 242 one year, finshed at 230 (his real weight)...started at 252 last year (the number i was looking at)

the point stands....his listed weight everywhere is around 230...he's admitted finishing seasons at 230....bulking up to come into camp at 240-250 doesn't mean anything...you're losing it immediately and playing the season closer to your ACTUAL weight...230...

jesus, i like the kid...but he isn't playing at 250...by his own damn admission...

Bulking up does mean something if he came into 2010 training camp 10 lbs. heavier in bulk than the weight he put on in 2009. As long as it was bulk, and not a ton of fat.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Belcher is 250. I know this from the horses mouth.

The rest of your shit is baseless.

First off, everyone has him listed at 228. There's NO ****ING WAY you're going to convince me that guy played at 250 this past season. You can tell just by looking at the pictures.

Secondly, Crennel prefers a 250 pound, stout "Thumper" like Teddy Bruschi (who was 6'1 and played at 248-252), a guy that can take on blockers and running backs while shedding blocks from guards. Not a 6'2, 228 pound guy who isn't particularly good at either.

You need to lay off the pipe if you think the Chiefs would pass on an opportunity to upgrade that position.

Pitt Gorilla · 02-10-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's listed at 228 on the Chiefs site, the NFL site, and he was listed at 230 at Maine.

Yeah, and Roethlisberger weighs 241.

royr17 · 02-10-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's listed at 228 on the Chiefs site, the NFL site, and he was listed at 230 at Maine.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...009&genpos=OLB

According to this site he was 243 at Maine.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 11:17 PM

Look at how thin his frame is in that picture.

Now compare him to Sean Weatherspoon, who is listed at 240:

Does Belcher look 10 lbs bigger than him?

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Yeah, and Roethlisberger weighs 241.

Every single site also says Branden Albert is 316 and Tamba Hali is 275. We all know those aren't remotely true. Again, don't know his true weight. But it's totally ridiculous to think he's 228 because the web says he is. Most sites irregularly update weight information.

And come on. We're seriously using a wikipedia picture to prove that he's 228?
1) Look at Derrick Johnson. He's 242 lbs (and only one inch taller). Does anyone actually believe that DJ is 14 lbs. heavier than Belcher?
2) Look at the picture of Belcher at Maine. Look at the picture of Belcher with KC. Umm... yeah, Belcher is most definitely bigger now.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 11:28 PM

Dude, DJ is significantly broader.

Wilson8 · 02-10-2011, 11:29 PM

I love a good story where an undrafted player comes in and makes in the NFL. I hope that a 230 lb or 255 lb, Jovan Belcher is a great linebacker for the Chiefs in the years to come.

Positives – He is only 23 years old and has already had 2 seasons in the NFL with 47 tackles in 2009 and 84 tackles last season.

That being said, the Chiefs should always look to get better in the NFL. If they can draft a good young player that pushes Jovan Belcher to special teams, then bring him on.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2011, 11:42 PM

If you think he's 228, then you're telling me that he's not bigger than his playing days at Maine. He's significantly bigger. Significantly. Especially in the legs. He had chicken legs at Maine

Bewbies · 02-11-2011, 01:42 AM

Ok, what's the 'Fake Football Guy' reference? I see a Fake MMA sig too??

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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2827557	I love a good story where an undrafted player comes in and makes in the NFL. I hope that a 230 lb or 255 lb, Jovan Belcher is a great linebacker for the Chiefs in the years to come. Positives – He is only 23 years old and has already had 2 seasons in the NFL with 47 tackles in 2009 and 84 tackles last season. That being said, the Chiefs should always look to get better in the NFL. If they can draft a good young player that pushes Jovan Belcher to special teams, then bring him on.
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