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Old 02-13-2011, 09:16 PM  
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NFLPA vs Owners drama continues
Updated: February 13, 2011, 10:01 PM ET
Sources: Sides could talk this week

By Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter
ESPN.com
When is a proposal not a proposal? When the NFL and the NFL Players Association are involved.

According to sources familiar with the talks, last week's negotiations between the NFLPA and the NFL broke off when the union characterized their documents as an "illustration" that NFL officials believed represented a proposal for revenue sharing between owners and players.

When the NFLPA characterized documents labeled "NFLPA Proposal" as something other than a collective bargaining proposal, the NFL ended the session, a source familiar with the talks said. League representatives then met outside the room, and returned only to abort the negotiations -- without immediately rescheduling any talks, the source added.
"As often happens in collective bargaining, the parties reached a point where there was a fundamental difference on a critical issue that was not going to be reconciled that day," said NFL spokesman Greg Aiello. "The discussions were adjourned to permit both parties to assess their positions and consider how to move the process forward. Far from abandoning the process, in the first four days after the Super Bowl, we have had two meetings of our labor executive committee and negotiating team, a conference call with all 32 clubs, and a meeting with the union."
The day after negotiations broke down, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell convened a conference call with the owners of the 32 NFL teams and reported the developments of the previous day. A person familiar with that call said there was complete unanimity among the owners.
Despite the aborted Wednesday session, dialogue has continued between the two sides through smaller working groups as well as communication between Goodell and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith. One player source said it is expected both sides will meet this week, as previously scheduled, and a management source did not refute that suggestion.
But there is a growing discord and mistrust between the two sides. Management was irritated by Smith's decision to release the owners' counter-proposal on a rookie wage scale to players and player agents, as opposed to offering a response directly to management. Even the choice of descriptive words were a source of irritation.
Whereas Smith noted that renegotiations or extensions of rookie contracts were "banned" until after the third year, a management official said the proposal "allows" for those renegotiations or extensions after the third year. Regardless, the intent and meaning are the same.
One person connected to the NFLPA said NFL owners were continuing to be "unreasonable," which accounted for the disintegration of last week's meeting.
Now, there are knowledgeable sources that previously were optimistic that CBA negotiations would not result in any lost games next year that are growing increasingly pessimistic. One source said last week's flare up was symbolic and illuminated the schism between the two sides. Now, there is a general feeling that some or all of the 2011 season may be at risk, though there is plenty of time for the two sides to continue talking and trying to bridge their vast differences.
Chris Mortensen is ESPN's senior NFL analyst. Adam Schefter is ESPN.com's NFL Insider.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:28 PM   #61
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According to Cardinals kicker Jay Feely, Panthers owner Jerry Richardson was dismissive and condescending when speaking to Drew Brees and Peyton Manning in a CBA negotiating session last Saturday.

Speaking on Michael Kay's radio show in New York, Feelys says Richardson said "do I need to help you read a revenue chart son?" when talking to Manning, before adding "do I need to help break that down for you because I don’t know if you know how to read that?" If the owners are treating the even league's most visible and respected players this poorly, there's no telling how bad things might get this offseason.


The irony here is that Manning probably does need assistance in understanding and comprehending an income statement, a balance sheet, or a "revenue chart".

Of course, on the other hand, NFL owners pay out a lot of money to professionals whose expertise is book cooking and who can make enormous profits magically disappear. Just ask the IRS. Or the ex-wives.

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Old 02-14-2011, 12:28 PM   #62
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The Networks MUST pay the NFL and the NFL MUST pay the Owners.

The owners can now d!ck around however they like on how any player gets paid.

Unless I'm wrong and KC players no longer get paid through the KC Chiefs organization...?
The math still has to add up to 60 percent to the players.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:28 PM   #63
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That actually brings up a point - if there is a lockout, do the networks get out of handing over the billions the TV contracts promise to the NFL (I'll answer my own question and say no, or else the owners wouldn't be trying a stunt like this).
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If there is a lock out.....it saves me money. From Fantasy Football fees to NFL Sunday Ticket.
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That actually brings up a point - if there is a lockout, do the networks get out of handing over the billions the TV contracts promise to the NFL (I'll answer my own question and say no, or else the owners wouldn't be trying a stunt like this).
The networks have agreed to pay the NFL regardless of the labor situation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...ssible-lockout
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That actually brings up a point - if there is a lockout, do the networks get out of handing over the billions the TV contracts promise to the NFL (I'll answer my own question and say no, or else the owners wouldn't be trying a stunt like this).
My understanding is that the owners will still get paid by the TV networks this year no matter what. However, they're not necessarily getting something for nothing, as the owners eventually have to provide the services they said they would. In other words, the networks are just paying early and will eventually have a "free" season. Or something like that.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:35 PM   #67
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The networks have agreed to pay the NFL regardless of the labor situation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...ssible-lockout
Yeah, figured as much. No way the owners would attempt this if they didn't have that to fall back on.

The players don't appear to be negotiating from a position of strength, even if their wants aren't excessive.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:37 PM   #68
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My understanding is that the owners will still get paid by the TV networks this year no matter what. However, they're not necessarily getting something for nothing, as the owners eventually have to provide the services they said they would. In other words, the networks are just paying early and will eventually have a "free" season. Or something like that.
For that kind of price tag, you'd think that would be the way it should shake out. Let's see if the owners take the kind of hard line stance with the networks that they are with the players if it unfolds that way (unless it's already worded as such in the contract, then I'm just wasting air. Didn't see that clause in Brock's link).
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The math still has to add up to 60 percent to the players.
Under what contract?

The one that expired?...
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Under what contract?

The one that expired?...
It hasn't expired yet, but this is a different subject than what you started with.
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For that kind of price tag, you'd think that would be the way it should shake out. Let's see if the owners take the kind of hard line stance with the networks that they are with the players if it unfolds that way (unless it's already worded as such in the contract, then I'm just wasting air. Didn't see that clause in Brock's link).
Yeah, I don't really know the specifics, but I think we'd hear about the networks getting nervous if they were really facing the possibility of having to pay for a season that doesn't happen without eventually getting something back.
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I'd like to see some kind of rookie pay "slotting". I'd like to see a reduction in ticket prices. I'd like to see an improved veteran retirement and medical assistance program. I'd like to see a better on-field official training program. I'd like to see the Super Bowl played out-of-doors. I'd like to see an enhanced rule incentive allowing the free-kick to be used more often. And, I'd like to see Salma Hayek's tittahs close-up.

Not necessarily in that order.

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It hasn't expired yet, but this is a different subject than what you started with.
It's all litigation now.

It becomes so unbelievably ugly that neither side really wants to have to be the one to not sign.

At the end of the day the NFL/Owners have all the leverage.

Right or wrong.

That's how it ends.
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If this alone was done I'd be happy...
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Wake me up when you reach an agreement. Until then I don't care about your machinations and posturing.
Although Jerry Richardson's comments are funny as hell.
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