NFL Draft Something bizarre - Page 5

Mecca · 04-28-2012, 06:45 PM

So according to NFL network the Chiefs get the highest grade in the division and do a nice job...over on ESPN they are called one of the draft losers by Jaws and his little group, WTF?

Joe Seahawk · 04-29-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I wish the seahawks were still in the chiefs division, that way we could beat them a zillion times.

We will play you in the 3rd pre-season game. Cant wait..

Demonpenz · 04-29-2012, 01:16 AM

Bart Scott?

Ugly Duck · 04-29-2012, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Scouts aren't stupid, especially when it comes to QB.

"The best Pro Day that I've ever seen was JaMarcus Russell," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said of the former No. 1 overall pick by the Raiders.

**TimeForWasp** · 04-29-2012, 01:58 AM

I see where he got his numbers from.

BryanBusby · 04-29-2012, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

"The best Pro Day that I've ever seen was JaMarcus Russell," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said of the former No. 1 overall pick by the Raiders.

It's not like scouts put a bottle of purple drank on the field to see if he'd drink it, or if he'd analyze the film with cartoons on it.

ILChief · 04-29-2012, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

You remember Casse's biggest game; the playoff game against the Ravens? Whenever Cassel dropped back I would hold my breath and whisper please, please, please.
And this is what Stanzi can do:

Cassel would have dumped it off to pope for two yards

JD10367 · 04-29-2012, 06:39 AM

Analyzing the draft is like meeting a girl in a bar and deciding right there whether she'd make a good long-term wife. Tom Brady was panned. Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer were #2 overall picks (after Peyton Manning and Drew Bledsoe, respectively). JaFatass, mentioned above. There are so many wrong decisions made about quarterbacks it's not funny.

People clamor for Stanzi for one simple reason: he hasn't been given a chance. He could be nothing but Jim Sorgi. Or he could be Tom Brady. But they'll never know if they don't try him. Matt Cassel? Brady Quinn? They know what they have in those two: not much. On a good day, they can lead a team to a win; on a bad day, they can singlehandedly lose a game. That applies to most quarterbacks but, unlike the very good quarterbacks, Cassel and Quinn (like many other mediocre QBs) can't overcome many obstacles (like turnovers) or make average players look great, or actually lead a team (i.e. be a leader).

Yes, it's possible to win a Super Bowl with mediocrity (e.g. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson). But there's no coincidence that this is the list of the past 20+ years of SB QBs. Note the red years, in which IMO both QBs weren't very good (hence the reason a Dilfer-type won). Note the green names, which seem to repeat. Note the blue names, who are quality one-time winners on this list.

XXIV (1989): Winner, Joe Montana; Loser, John Elway
XXV (1990): Winner, Jeff Hostetler; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVI (1991): Winner, Mark Rypien; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVII (1992): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXVIII (1993): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Jim Kelly
XXIX (1994): Winner, Steve Young; Loser, Stan Humphries
XXX (1995): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Neil O'Donnell
XXXI (1996): Winner, Brett Favre; Loser, Drew Bledsoe
XXXII (1997): Winner, John Elway; Loser, Brett Favre
XXXIII (1998): Winner, John Elway; Loser, Chris Chandler
XXXIV (1999): Winner, Kurt Warner; Loser, Steve McNair
XXXV (2000): Winner, Trent Dilfer; Loser, Kerry Collins
XXXVI (2001): Winner, Tom Brady; Loser, Kurt Warner
XXXVII (2002): Winner, Brad Johnson; Loser, Rich Gannon
XXXVIII (2003): Winnner, Tom Brady; Loser, Jake Delhomme
XXXVIX (2004): Winner, Tom Brady; Loser, Donovan McNabb
XL (2005): Winner, Ben Roethlisberger; Loser, Matt Hasselbeck
XLI (2006): Winner, Peyton Manning; Loser, Rex Grossman
XLII (2007): Winner, Eli Manning; Loser, Tom Brady
XLIII (2008): Winner, Ben Roethlisberger; Loser, Kurt Warner
XLIV (2009): Winner, Drew Brees; Loser, Peyton Manning
XLV (2010): Winner, Aaron Rodgers; Loser, Ben Roethlisberger
XLVI (2011): Winner, Eli Manning; Loser, Tom Brady

23 years. 46 participants.

Elway: 3
Kelly: 4
Aikman: 3
Favre: 2
Warner: 3
Brady: 5
Roethlisberger: 3
P. Manning: 2
E. Manning: 2

That list of 9, probably all headed for Canton, comprises 27 of 46 (over half).

In 10 years (89-98), Elway, Kelly, Favre, and Aikman took 12 of 20 spots (with 1 to Montana and 1 to Young as well).

In 13 more recent years (99-11), Warner, Brady, Roethlisberger, P. Manning, and E. Manning took 15 of 26 spots (with 1 to Brees and 1 to Rodgers as well).

And you can even make a case that some of the black-font losers (Bledsoe, McNair, McNabb) are excellent QBs and, with a break here or there, would be in Canton as well.

You can win without a great quarterback. But the odds aren't good. Hence, people want to know if Stanzi is going to be the 10th guy on that list, or a perennial benchwarmer. And you can't find out if you don't play him.

beach tribe · 04-29-2012, 06:49 AM

It's just like here. Sitters on both sides.
I don't value their opinions any more than posters here.
Less actually.

Chiefshrink · 04-29-2012, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JD369

Meh. Talking heads.

Precisely

scho63 · 04-29-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Cassel would have dumped it off to pope for two yards

Or better yet, a screen pass to the other team!

Ace Gunner · 04-29-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

"The best Pro Day that I've ever seen was JaMarcus Russell," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said of the former No. 1 overall pick by the Raiders.

there is nobody better at hyping the new sissy league better than mike mayack

jspchief · 04-29-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

I hope they love him enough to bench Cassel

I do too. I hope it happens in preseason and becomes a battle between Quinn and Stanzi.

I don't need another year of giving Cassel a chance to show just enough to make the coaches cling to a 9 win season by leaving him in.

FloridaMan88 · 04-29-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So according to NFL network the Chiefs get the highest grade in the division and do a nice job...over on ESPN they are called one of the draft losers by Jaws and his little group, WTF?

Pretty simple... the NFL Network is in bed with Clark Hunt's efforts to do everything possible to create the illusion the Chiefs are on an upward track towards a good season this year. The NFL Network is in bed with Clark's strategy in the name of selling tickets.

ESPN doesn't give a shit about this and is telling it like it is.

milkman · 04-29-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50

Pretty simple... the NFL Network is in bed with Clark Hunt's efforts to do everything possible to create the illusion the Chiefs are on an upward track towards a good season this year. The NFL Network is in bed with Clark's strategy in the name of selling tickets.

ESPN doesn't give a shit about this and is telling it like it is.

I was really done with responding to your idiocy, but god damn.

Holy shit.

FloridaMan88 · 04-29-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I was really done with responding to your idiocy, but god damn.

Holy shit.

The drooling old bag of shit continues to insert himself farther up Fat Scott's ass.

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JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	Analyzing the draft is like meeting a girl in a bar and deciding right there whether she'd make a good long-term wife. Tom Brady was panned. Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer were #2 overall picks (after Peyton Manning and Drew Bledsoe, respectively). JaFatass, mentioned above. There are so many wrong decisions made about quarterbacks it's not funny. People clamor for Stanzi for one simple reason: he hasn't been given a chance. He could be nothing but Jim Sorgi. Or he could be Tom Brady. But they'll never know if they don't try him. Matt Cassel? Brady Quinn? They know what they have in those two: not much. On a good day, they can lead a team to a win; on a bad day, they can singlehandedly lose a game. That applies to most quarterbacks but, unlike the very good quarterbacks, Cassel and Quinn (like many other mediocre QBs) can't overcome many obstacles (like turnovers) or make average players look great, or actually lead a team (i.e. be a leader). Yes, it's possible to win a Super Bowl with mediocrity (e.g. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson). But there's no coincidence that this is the list of the past 20+ years of SB QBs. Note the red years, in which IMO both QBs weren't very good (hence the reason a Dilfer-type won). Note the green names, which seem to repeat. Note the blue names, who are quality one-time winners on this list. XXIV (1989): Winner, Joe Montana; Loser, John Elway XXV (1990): Winner, Jeff Hostetler; Loser, Jim Kelly XXVI (1991): Winner, Mark Rypien; Loser, Jim Kelly XXVII (1992): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Jim Kelly XXVIII (1993): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Jim Kelly XXIX (1994): Winner, Steve Young; Loser, Stan Humphries XXX (1995): Winner, Troy Aikman; Loser, Neil O'Donnell XXXI (1996): Winner, Brett Favre; Loser, Drew Bledsoe XXXII (1997): Winner, John Elway; Loser, Brett Favre XXXIII (1998): Winner, John Elway; Loser, Chris Chandler XXXIV (1999): Winner, Kurt Warner; Loser, Steve McNair XXXV (2000): Winner, Trent Dilfer; Loser, Kerry Collins XXXVI (2001): Winner, Tom Brady; Loser, Kurt Warner XXXVII (2002): Winner, Brad Johnson; Loser, Rich Gannon XXXVIII (2003): Winnner, Tom Brady; Loser, Jake Delhomme XXXVIX (2004): Winner, Tom Brady; Loser, Donovan McNabb XL (2005): Winner, Ben Roethlisberger; Loser, Matt Hasselbeck XLI (2006): Winner, Peyton Manning; Loser, Rex Grossman XLII (2007): Winner, Eli Manning; Loser, Tom Brady XLIII (2008): Winner, Ben Roethlisberger; Loser, Kurt Warner XLIV (2009): Winner, Drew Brees; Loser, Peyton Manning XLV (2010): Winner, Aaron Rodgers; Loser, Ben Roethlisberger XLVI (2011): Winner, Eli Manning; Loser, Tom Brady 23 years. 46 participants. Elway: 3 Kelly: 4 Aikman: 3 Favre: 2 Warner: 3 Brady: 5 Roethlisberger: 3 P. Manning: 2 E. Manning: 2 That list of 9, probably all headed for Canton, comprises 27 of 46 (over half). In 10 years (89-98), Elway, Kelly, Favre, and Aikman took 12 of 20 spots (with 1 to Montana and 1 to Young as well). In 13 more recent years (99-11), Warner, Brady, Roethlisberger, P. Manning, and E. Manning took 15 of 26 spots (with 1 to Brees and 1 to Rodgers as well). And you can even make a case that some of the black-font losers (Bledsoe, McNair, McNabb) are excellent QBs and, with a break here or there, would be in Canton as well. You can win without a great quarterback. But the odds aren't good. Hence, people want to know if Stanzi is going to be the 10th guy on that list, or a perennial benchwarmer. And you can't find out if you don't play him.
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