Football FRONTLINE "League of Denial" - Page 5

ShowtimeSBMVP · 10-08-2013, 07:39 PM

Anyone watching this making the NFL look bad.

Kerberos · 10-09-2013, 10:08 AM

http://bit.ly/brain-on-football

This is pretty convincing that the NFL knew about this and did NOTHING till their hand was forced.

**gblowfish** · 10-09-2013, 10:16 AM

If helmets were outlawed there'd be fewer concussions. Maybe more broken noses and teeth, but fewer concussions.

BigCatDaddy · 10-09-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

If helmets were outlawed there'd be fewer concussions. Maybe more broken noses and teeth, but fewer concussions.

Maybe a few, but most concussions are caused by a guys head smacking into the ground. Those might end up worse than a concussion without a helmet.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-09-2013, 12:06 PM

Just watched it. This is gonna signal the end. Future generations will not play, their moms won't let them.

I don't know how to feel about it. I only played until my Sophomore year in High School. I knew plenty of guys who played through that age, but I didn't really know anyone who played college or pros.

As far as the documentary, they did the best they could to paint the NFL as a bunch of bastards. The doctor saying they were all rude and sexist to her...WTF does that have to do with anything? The Congress getting involved...I hated it when it happened. More Nanny State bullshit. They should have bigger fish to fry. They did elude that there is no way to know based on their research that this happens to anyone who plays, but the opinion of those interviewed and the final conclusion was basically if you play football, you will get a life altering brain injury. Period.

I dunno. I hate this. I love the sport, played it, coached my son in it, watch it every year. How am I supposed to feel about it now?

salame · 10-09-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Just watched it. This is gonna signal the end. Future generations will not play, their moms won't let them.

I don't know how to feel about it. I only played until my Sophomore year in High School. I knew plenty of guys who played through that age, but I didn't really know anyone who played college or pros.

As far as the documentary, they did the best they could to paint the NFL as a bunch of bastards. The doctor saying they were all rude and sexist to her...WTF does that have to do with anything? The Congress getting involved...I hated it when it happened. More Nanny State bullshit. They should have bigger fish to fry. They did elude that there is no way to know based on their research that this happens to anyone who plays, but the opinion of those interviewed and the final conclusion was basically if you play football, you will get a life altering brain injury. Period.

I dunno. I hate this. I love the sport, played it, coached my son in it, watch it every year. How am I supposed to feel about it now?

I kind of ended up feeling the same way.
I played for a long time and I was on the couch like.....damn, now I'm gonna be all ****ed up. I know I had at least one concussion and I was pretty good at "ringing someones bell" I was just too pumped up to acknowledge that I was ringing my own.
I get a lot of headaches too.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 10-09-2013, 01:33 PM

Sporting News ‏@sportingnews 3m
Exclusive: @TroyAikman reacts to #LeagueOfDenial, says he hasn't had concussion symptoms since retiring from NFL - http://bit.ly/1bcpazM

Discuss Thrower · 10-09-2013, 01:37 PM

My thoughts in general without seeing the documentary but knowing full well its implication:

Where's the outrage over the damage done to NFL atheletes from PEDs? What about the cost of ever inflating in size linemen?

Outside of the football, how much damage has sports in general done to minorities who see a professional contract as their only means of gaining wealth instead of pursuing an education -schooled or otherwise?

What about the damage pitchers do to their arms? Catchers and their knees? Can a parent let their child play baseball when it seems that playing either of these spots will be costly down the line either monetarily or in quality of life?

Yes, there are risks involved with football just as there are risks with every day one draws a breath. Should efforts be made to prevent injuries? Yes. But where does it stop is where I want to know, because from my standpoint you can argue against almost every activity be it physical or not that will more than likely have an increased risk than doing nothing at all.

BigCatDaddy · 10-09-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

My thoughts in general without seeing the documentary but knowing full well its implication:

Where's the outrage over the damage done to NFL atheletes from PEDs? What about the cost of ever inflating in size linemen?

Outside of the football, how much damage has sports in general done to minorities who see a professional contract as their only means of gaining wealth instead of pursuing an education -schooled or otherwise?

What about the damage pitchers do to their arms? Catchers and their knees? Can a parent let their child play baseball when it seems that playing either of these spots will be costly down the line either monetarily or in quality of life?

Yes, there are risks involved with football just as there are risks with every day one draws a breath. Should efforts be made to prevent injuries? Yes. But where does it stop is where I want to know, because from my standpoint you can argue against almost every activity be it physical or not that will more than likely have an increased risk than doing nothing at all.

Your choice to be a player #GetAClue

siberian khatru · 10-09-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Sporting News ‏@sportingnews 3m
Exclusive: @TroyAikman reacts to #LeagueOfDenial, says he hasn't had concussion symptoms since retiring from NFL - http://bit.ly/1bcpazM

I was wondering about that with both him and Steve Young.

Hammock Parties · 10-09-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Just watched it. This is gonna signal the end. Future generations will not play, their moms won't let them.

Too much money at stake.

Also football creates thousands of jobs across NFL, college and pro landscapes.

It's not going anywhere.

Discuss Thrower · 10-09-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Sporting News ‏@sportingnews 3m
Exclusive: @TroyAikman reacts to #LeagueOfDenial, says he hasn't had concussion symptoms since retiring from NFL - http://bit.ly/1bcpazM

Aikman is a poster boy for how football teams should handle concussions now: take them out, hold them out until a independent physician can clear the player with the warning that they are more susceptible to concussions and CTE down the line.

Beyond that, all I think the NFL can do to ensure safety is lengthen the season with an additional bye week as well as enlarging rosters for depth. Beyond that will be rule changes that will more or less end football as we know it since this sport and it's analogue in the major rugby codes are "too dangerous" for people to participate in as they are played now.

**MahiMike** · 10-09-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Just watched it. This is gonna signal the end. Future generations will not play, their moms won't let them.

I don't know how to feel about it. I only played until my Sophomore year in High School. I knew plenty of guys who played through that age, but I didn't really know anyone who played college or pros.

As far as the documentary, they did the best they could to paint the NFL as a bunch of bastards. The doctor saying they were all rude and sexist to her...WTF does that have to do with anything? The Congress getting involved...I hated it when it happened. More Nanny State bullshit. They should have bigger fish to fry. They did elude that there is no way to know based on their research that this happens to anyone who plays, but the opinion of those interviewed and the final conclusion was basically if you play football, you will get a life altering brain injury. Period.

I dunno. I hate this. I love the sport, played it, coached my son in it, watch it every year. How am I supposed to feel about it now?

Just glad my kid quit playing QB and went with golf. Looking good now.

**MahiMike** · 10-09-2013, 03:16 PM

What I'm wondering is when the NFL is going to enforce the "tighter helmet rule". Every week you see a guy's helmet falling off with not much force. They slip them on like baseball caps. They're supposed to be really hard to knock off.

I think they should get 15 yard penalty if their helmet comes off. Second offense is disqual.

Whosurdaddy · 10-09-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Too much money at stake.

Also football creates thousands of jobs across NFL, college and pro landscapes.

It's not going anywhere.

Those athletes will still be around, they'll just play something else.

Marcellus · 10-09-2013, 04:02 PM

Its no different that NASCAR, MMA, or any other dangerous sport.

You have to make changes to make the game safer but you will never eliminate all of the risk.

And it isn't going anywhere.

99% of the issues they are discussing happened well before upgraded equipment and rules changes.

Its like the HANS device for NASCAR changing things.

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InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $515437	Just watched it. This is gonna signal the end. Future generations will not play, their moms won't let them. I don't know how to feel about it. I only played until my Sophomore year in High School. I knew plenty of guys who played through that age, but I didn't really know anyone who played college or pros. As far as the documentary, they did the best they could to paint the NFL as a bunch of bastards. The doctor saying they were all rude and sexist to her...WTF does that have to do with anything? The Congress getting involved...I hated it when it happened. More Nanny State bullshit. They should have bigger fish to fry. They did elude that there is no way to know based on their research that this happens to anyone who plays, but the opinion of those interviewed and the final conclusion was basically if you play football, you will get a life altering brain injury. Period. I dunno. I hate this. I love the sport, played it, coached my son in it, watch it every year. How am I supposed to feel about it now? __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $-470000	My thoughts in general without seeing the documentary but knowing full well its implication: Where's the outrage over the damage done to NFL atheletes from PEDs? What about the cost of ever inflating in size linemen? Outside of the football, how much damage has sports in general done to minorities who see a professional contract as their only means of gaining wealth instead of pursuing an education -schooled or otherwise? What about the damage pitchers do to their arms? Catchers and their knees? Can a parent let their child play baseball when it seems that playing either of these spots will be costly down the line either monetarily or in quality of life? Yes, there are risks involved with football just as there are risks with every day one draws a breath. Should efforts be made to prevent injuries? Yes. But where does it stop is where I want to know, because from my standpoint you can argue against almost every activity be it physical or not that will more than likely have an increased risk than doing nothing at all. __________________ Chiefs 2016 Opponents: Home: JAX, TEN, NO, TB, NYJ. Away: HOU, IND, ATL, CAR, PIT Chiefs 2017 Opponents: Home: BUF, MIA, PHI, WSH, AFC North. Away: NE, NYJ, NYG, DAL, AFC South
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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-577338	Its no different that NASCAR, MMA, or any other dangerous sport. You have to make changes to make the game safer but you will never eliminate all of the risk. And it isn't going anywhere. 99% of the issues they are discussing happened well before upgraded equipment and rules changes. Its like the HANS device for NASCAR changing things.
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