Chiefs Dorsey loves the box safeties in this draft - Page 5

RunKC · 05-06-2014, 08:57 AM

@TerezPaylor: One thing to keep in mind about a Berry trade: #Chiefs GM John Dorsey told me Friday that there are a lot of good box safeties in this draft

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Beef Supreme · 05-06-2014, 11:28 AM

I thought the general idea was to keep the guys you have that are good and replace the guys who suck. Not have a fire sale and start over.

ToxSocks · 05-06-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

I thought the general idea was to keep the guys you have that are good and replace the guys who suck. Not have a fire sale and start over.

Unless they become too good and consequently have to pay them accordingly. At that point, you have to ditch them.

I swear, some people have been watching the Royals for far too long.

The Chiefs aren't suppose to be a farm team!

Eleazar · 05-06-2014, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

I thought the general idea was to keep the guys you have that are good and replace the guys who suck. Not have a fire sale and start over.

Based on this thread and the Brandon Flowers thread, I'm very confused. It seems we should be trading Berry and retaining Flowers?

salame · 05-06-2014, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

**** it, lets trade Houston and Charles too. And Poe.

Flowers sucks and we won't be able to re-sign Berry.
Better to get something for someone than nothing at all when they leave in free agency.

saphojunkie · 05-06-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

If, If, If.

That's a shit load of "If's".

Again, you're assuming players like Berry are just replaceable.

Quick question: How many Eric Berry's have you ever seen on the Chiefs roster? EVER? Hell, how many Eric Berry's have you ever seen in our Division, let alone just the Chiefs? How many Bernard Pollard's, Greg Wesley's and Mike Brown's did we have to through to get just ONE Eric Berry? You're taking the player for granted and it's silly.

And I got news for you, Eric Berry will be the highest Paid safety in the league. Contracts increase by the year and it's been shown already that Berry has been every bit as productive as Thomas has been while offering much more versatility.

Eric Berry is getting paid by someone, and deservedly so. He will be the highest paid safety in the league barring a significant injury this upcoming season.

I'd rather he be a highly paid, All Pro CHIEF, rather than a highly paid, All Pro -Something else.

Not exactly. It's simply wrong to think that any situation in which Eric Berry is not a Chief in 2016 is an epic failure. That "shit load of ifs" are all INCREDIBLY POSSIBLE and more than one is INCREDIBLY LIKELY.

It sounds like you're saying they have to keep Berry no matter what, and if so... that is just foolish. It's like saying you have to draft a QB no matter what or you have to sign a free agent tackle no matter what or you have to do anything anywhere at anytime no matter what.

"No matter what" thinking is how Joe Flacco gets 120 million.

saphojunkie · 05-06-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

**** it, lets trade Houston and Charles too. And Poe.

We got Charles in the first place because we traded a player the GM didn't think was worth his contract.

ToxSocks · 05-06-2014, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

We got Charles in the first place because we traded a player the GM didn't think was worth his contract.

Because said player had off the field issues and was one DUI away from a year long suspension. I wasn't aware that Berry was an alcoholic.

ToxSocks · 05-06-2014, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by salame

Flowers sucks and we won't be able to re-sign Berry.
Better to get something for someone than nothing at all when they leave in free agency.

Why do you assume they won't be able to resign Berry?

saphojunkie · 05-06-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Because said player had off the field issues and was one DUI away from a year long suspension. I wasn't aware that Berry was an alcoholic.

Oh **** that. Said player had quit drinking entirely, and that was a bullshit excuse to lowball him. Said player NEVER HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT and just continued to produce at an elite level.

But you're right - super smart and totally valid.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough.

Mr. Laz · 05-06-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Why do you assume they won't be able to resign Berry?

It's going to be difficult.

Berry was drafted in the old system and has been overpaid his entire career.

He is going to expect to be overpaid again

Romeo should be repeatedly kicked in the nuts for putting Berry at SS.

A successful move to FS would make Berry's contract a better fit.

ToxSocks · 05-06-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Not exactly. It's simply wrong to think that any situation in which Eric Berry is not a Chief in 2016 is an epic failure. That "shit load of ifs" are all INCREDIBLY POSSIBLE and more than one is INCREDIBLY LIKELY.

It sounds like you're saying they have to keep Berry no matter what, and if so... that is just foolish. It's like saying you have to draft a QB no matter what or you have to sign a free agent tackle no matter what or you have to do anything anywhere at anytime no matter what.

"No matter what" thinking is how Joe Flacco gets 120 million.

You have presented a situation that makes Berry expendable. Just a bunch of "If's". The only thing that can make Berry expendable is if his production were replaceable, which is a long shot.

I don't want to create a hole in the roster and lose one of the best players in the NFL simply because he costs too much.

If Berry wants north of Earl Thomas' salary;
****Money shouldn't make a great player expendable. You drafted him to be great, now you need to pay him. What exactly were the Chiefs hoping for? That he'd suck so they wouldn't have to pay him?

If Berry is going to be kept in the box;
****Berry isn't even kept in the box NOW. Again, you're diminishing his value.

If Berry doesn't want to extend, because Pioli has already said he'll make him the highest paid safety in Atlanta (his hometown);
****Huh? If Pioli said that, then that's tampering and the Chiefs have some picks on the way via ATL. Not that it should surprise anyone, Berry will be the highest paid safety.

If we can replace 90% of his production with 20% of his salary;
****Yeah good luck with that. He's an All Pro. They don't grow on trees and the odds of bringing in some Rook to immediately replace him is incredibly low.

If we can get good draft picks;
****Why? So we can just release them when their contract is up?

All i hear is people wanting premium players but don't want to pay the Premium price for them. Gee, i can't wait to have this conversation about Houston next year. And then Poe the following year.

This is exactly why i can't stand the MLB. Imma go ahead and call it "Royals Syndrome". Draft a player, develop him and simply give him up to a large market team that will pay for his services because he's too expensive to play for you.

**** that.

**The Franchise** · 05-06-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

It's going to be difficult.

Berry was drafted in the old system and has been overpaid his entire career.

He is going to expect to be overpaid again

Romeo should be repeatedly kicked in the nuts for putting Berry at SS.

A successful move to FS would make Berry's contract a better fit.

Pure ****ing speculation.

**the Talking Can** · 05-06-2014, 11:50 AM

Eric Berry....not good enough for Chiefs fans

can't make this shit up

ToxSocks · 05-06-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Oh **** that. Said player had quit drinking entirely, and that was a bullshit excuse to lowball him. Said player NEVER HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT and just continued to produce at an elite level.

But you're right - super smart and totally valid.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough.

Who said it was Valid?

I stated a legit off the field concern at the time. I didn't say i agreed with it. You're comparing apples to oranges. Berry hasn't given the Chiefs a single reason to suggest he won't continue to perform. Allen was fresh off a suspension and was one DUI away from a year long vacation...and IIRC, he had just opened a freaking bar. Allen had legit concerns when Berry does not.

ToxSocks · 05-06-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Eric Berry....not good enough for Chiefs fans

can't make this shit up

Right?

It's unreal.

Again, when was the last time the Chiefs had a Safety of his caliber? And we FINALLY get one and just want to dump him because he's going to be expensive to retain....WTF?

If that's the case, then why even draft good players?

Why not just field a team of marginal players who will never be good enough to demand a premium 2nd contract?

Sounds like a winning plan to me.

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