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Old 05-07-2014, 10:35 AM   #1
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Going back to the playoff loss to Indy ,all Sutton had to do was get Hilton covered . Double team his ass. That's all he had to do. giving up a 28 point lead is bullshit.

Robinson and Lewis are now gone so coaches knew our weaknesses and hopefully we can upgrade in this draft. Hopefully commings will be a stud. don't know.
They are all in on that. I am no where near as sure as they seem to be.
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:39 AM   #2
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Going back to the playoff loss to Indy ,all Sutton had to do was get Hilton covered . Double team his ass. That's all he had to do. giving up a 28 point lead is bullshit.

Robinson and Lewis are now gone so coaches knew our weaknesses and hopefully we can upgrade in this draft. Hopefully commings will be a stud. don't know.
This> They are hoping to upgrade this shit defense in the draft with 6 picks-yep will probably work.
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:47 AM   #3
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To the OP I think it is easier for an average fan to identify a good play call and player fail on offense. A wide open pass dropped.
On defense it takes more of an understanding of players roles in a defense to know the difference between bad play calling and execution.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:57 AM   #4
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So, again, I ask, given the limitations of the talent, what exactly did you expect Sutton to do?
I approve this message because i never have enough talent either/GuntherCunningham




If we can't make up for a weakness at a single position then we are screwed. If Lewis was such a problem then why did our coaches keep running him out there?

I can't tell you exactly what he should have done because i'm not a professional NFL coach. I can say that other teams did more with less defensive talent than we did. Our secondary looked disorganized and we allowed the same stinking plays to be successful over and over again. We allowed the same player to kill us over and over again.

tbh i've thought our secondary has looked ragged for years considering i thought our talent was decent. You love emmitt thomas but i just don't see it.

Sutton will get another couple of years but i could very easily everyone saying he doesn't have enough talent over and over again ala goonther.

Our Defense doesn't have to be the best but if it looks like a clutter**** then i'm going to hold the coaching accountable.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:25 PM   #5
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I approve this message because i never have enough talent either/GuntherCunningham




If we can't make up for a weakness at a single position then we are screwed. If Lewis was such a problem then why did our coaches keep running him out there?

I can't tell you exactly what he should have done because i'm not a professional NFL coach. I can say that other teams did more with less defensive talent than we did. Our secondary looked disorganized and we allowed the same stinking plays to be successful over and over again. We allowed the same player to kill us over and over again.

tbh i've thought our secondary has looked ragged for years considering i thought our talent was decent. You love emmitt thomas but i just don't see it.

Sutton will get another couple of years but i could very easily everyone saying he doesn't have enough talent over and over again ala goonther.

Our Defense doesn't have to be the best but if it looks like a clutter**** then i'm going to hold the coaching accountable.
Kendrick Lewis was the single most glaring weakness, but not the only one.

No pass rush from the line, and an ILB that couldn't cover your useless ass, along with no depth behind Hali or Houston.

Once those 2 went down to injury, every single hole on this defense was exposed and exploited.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:31 PM   #6
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More than anything, I'd like to see him get better at evaluating personnel. Props to him for making a really smart move to put in Cooper and move Flowers to the Nickel.

I don't know why it took until after the Chargers "back-up game" to realize we had better depth than we thought, at least in terms of players we can rotate in to keep our starters fresh. Why did it take until the Colts game to realize Parker and Abdullah should have a place in this defense? Why did Sutton think Dunta Robinson was good enough to start against Indy? If Akeem Jordan is so limited in situations where we want our ILB to have range, why was he playing so many snaps?

I agree… from a scheme perspective, you've got lots of people learning it and limitations based on the talent. I worry about Sutton's ability to read talent, which makes me question if he's always going to get the best players on the field.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:36 PM   #7
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After watching the highlights of Calvin Pryor-I would love to have him in Red knocking the shit out the Donks running those illegal pick plays. We need some hitters back there to make the WR's pay for going over the middle on us. It was our biggest weakness last year. Sutton appeared to have no answer for it? Was that talent or playcalling? I tend to lean towards talent.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:00 PM   #8
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He needs to stop wearing out our ****ing D Linemen.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:10 PM   #9
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You're wasting time debating.

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Old 05-07-2014, 03:27 PM   #10
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I'm really torn on this.

I keep going back and forth between Jimmy Ward and Kyle Van Noy, but I think I've settled on Ward, and finding that ILB in the 3rd.
While I'm kinda torn on wanting a more capable coverage back, man Shayne Skov would be a nice get in the 3rd round. Dude is mean as **** and his blitzing ability would give Bob Sutton a lot to work with.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:37 PM   #11
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I have asked this in threads before, and I get no legitimate response, so I am going to start this thread.

Over and over, and over again, people keep saying that Sutton made no adjustments, and is responsible for the failures of this defense.

I have no dog in this, but I want to know, what exactly do you think he could do?

This defense was playing spectacularly for the first 5-6 games, but then Buffalo, Houston and the Donkeys had enough film to recognize that they could exploit the deep zones because Kendrick Lewis was almost always in the wrong place, and they adjusted their game plans to take full advantage.

Sutton tried to counter that by moving the corners off the line, which allowed offenses to exploit the short passing game and minimize the pass rush, which was also affected by the loss of Houston to injury, and a less than 100% Hali.

The one critisism that is completely valid is that Sutton did not utilize a rotaion on the line that kept Poe fresh, and he was not the same player for the 2nd half of the season that he was for the first half, because he was just worn out.
I agree with all of this. I don't think Sutton is the problem. If they can get him some more pieces and the D still doesn't improve then maybe it will be time to reassess, but as of now I think he did the best that could be done with what he had to work with.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:37 PM   #12
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I know Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat here, and don't get me wrong - he was a trainwreck...

But this defense started sucking when the pass rush disappeared - BEFORE Hali and Houston were injured. Without a pass rush, Sutton's schemes don't work.
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I know Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat here, and don't get me wrong - he was a trainwreck...

But this defense started sucking when the pass rush disappeared - BEFORE Hali and Houston were injured. Without a pass rush, Sutton's schemes don't work.
That's true. A lot of people like to say it started week 11 when we played Denver (and kicked off the rough part of our schedule) but, if I'm remembering correctly, we had trouble getting to Campbell when we played the Browns and got absolutely torched by Jeff ****ing Tuel in Buffalo.

Without being able to watch the film I can't even begin to guess why we saw such a sudden decline in pass rush.
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Dorsey talked in his press conference about the difference from year one to two and he specifically mentioned that now he understands that the traditional 3-4 DE's (two 5techs) is a thing of the past and in Sutton's scheme you gotta have a 3tech and a 5tech. We didn't have that last season and now with Vance and a second year Catapano our Dline is better suited for Sutton's scheme. I think this will make just as much of a difference as replacing Kendrick and Demps (who was also pretty bad towards the end of the season).
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Kendrick is still dog shit though..
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