*** Official Kansas City Royals @ San Francisco Giants World Series Game 4 Thread ***

[alnorth]

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
KC	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	12	1
SF	1	0	1	0	2	3	4	0	X	11	16	0

Series Tied, 2-2



Jason Vargas 4IP 3R 3ER 2BB 3K
Jason Frasor ⅓IP 1R 1ER 0BB 0K
Danny Duffy ⅔IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Loss Brandon Finnegan 1IP 5R 5ER 2BB 0K
Tim Collins 2IP 2R 2ER 1BB 2K

VS.



Ryan Vogelsong 2⅔IP 4R 4ER 1BB 2K
Jean Machi ⅓IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Win Yusmeiro Petit 3IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Hold Jeremy Affeldt 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Sergio Romo 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Hunter Strickland 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

Home Runs

none

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Alcides Escobar, SS
2. Alex Gordon, LF
3. Lorenzo Cain, RF
4. Eric Hosmer, 1B
5. Mike Moustakas, 3B
5. Tim Collins, P
6. Omar Infante, 2B
7. Salvador Perez, C
8. Jarrod Dyson, CF
9. Jason Vargas, P
9. Jason Frasor, P
9. Danny Duffy, P
9. Norichika Aoki, ph
9. Brandon Finnegan, P
9. Jayson Nix, 3B

SF

1. Gregor Blanco, CF
2. Joe Panik, 2B
3. Buster Posey, C
4. Hunter Pence, RF
5. Pablo Sandoval, 3B
6. Brandon Belt, 1B
7. Juan Perez, LF
8. Brandon Crawford, SS
9. Ryan Vogelsong, P
9. Jean Machi, P
9. Matt Duffy, ph
9. Yusmeiro Petit, P
9. Jeremy Affeldt, P
9. Michael Morse, ph
9. Sergio Romo, P
9. Travis Ishikawa, ph
9. Hunter Strickland, P

[milkman]

Originally Posted by PHOG

Great game last night, still kinda laughing at Herrera's AB.(now anyway), Make it win number 3 Royals!!! Keep it up kiddos!!!

The way the Royals were able to laugh about that at bat tells you just how loose these guys are.

[penbrook]

Liam Hendriks designated for assignment

[Rasputin]

So sick of political adds. **** you assholes.

[Mav]

Really kind of excited about tonight. I trust Vogelsong. I agree with Bochy not burning up bum tonight.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

It was a bunch of lefties and the bottom of the order. Why in the hell burn Wade Davis for them?

Yeah, I had no problem with Finnegan there. I would have pinch-hit for Herrera, but if you are going to stay with him in the 7th, then at that point Ned pretty much did what I would have done.

[Prison Bitch]

I've been a Ned defender (well not really defender of him, so much as opponent of the idea managers win or lose many games)....but hitting Herrera there was just mind-boggling.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Yeah, I had no problem with Finnegan there. I would have pinch-hit for Herrera, but if you are going to stay with him in the 7th, then at that point Ned pretty much did what I would have done.

From what I've seen Yost has done a fine job this post season.

This team seems to respond to him. Not to beat it to death, because I've mentioned it many times in the recent past, it's true though.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Yeah, I had no problem with Finnegan there. I would have pinch-hit for Herrera, but if you are going to stay with him in the 7th, then at that point Ned pretty much did what I would have done.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I've been a Ned defender (well not really defender of him, so much as opponent of the idea managers win or lose many games)....but hitting Herrera there was just mind-boggling.

I think you almost had to have Herrera pitch to Pence though. If Dyson got out then it would have been all moot, and Aoki more than likely would have pinch hit to start the 8th.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I've been a Ned defender (well not really defender of him, so much as opponent of the idea managers win or lose many games)....but hitting Herrera there was just mind-boggling.

no, it wasn't

why in god's holy **** would we not pitch Herrera in the 7th?

[007]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

On this?

Its all Jumbotron to me. I have no idea what they call it now.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Guru

Its all Jumbotron to me. I have no idea what they call it now.

Its actually a bar where the old Jumbotron is.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

no, it wasn't

why in god's holy **** would we not pitch Herrera in the 7th?

Because we had to give up the opportunity to score a run in the 7th to make that happen.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Because we had to give up the opportunity to score a run in the 6th to make that happen.

let's put math on it

we had about a .05% chance to score a run with Herrera at the plate

now, you pinch hit Butler for him...

we have a 80% chance of Dyson stealing 2nd base

then we have a 27% chance of Butler getting a base hit

so we probably had close a 1 in 5 shot of scoring a run there

...and how many blown saves have H D H accounted for this postseason?

I side with Yost. Gotta start the 7th with Herrera. Good move, IMO

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

let's put math on it

we had about a .05% chance to score a run with Herrera at the plate

now, you pinch hit Butler for him...

we have a 80% chance of Dyson stealing 2nd base

then we have a 27% chance of Butler getting a base hit

so we probably had close a 1 in 5 shot of scoring a run there

...and how many blown saves have H D H accounted for this postseason?

I side with Yost. Gotta start the 7th with Herrera. Good move, IMO

That 20% of a run is a hell of a lot more valuable than any potential downside from having Finnegan start the 7th, after Herrera already pitched in the 6th.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by alnorth

That 20% of a run is a hell of a lot more valuable than any potential downside from having Finnegan start the 7th, after Herrera already pitched in the 6th.

I totally disagree.

I like Finnegan, but his sample size is very small. He was roughed up a bit in his last appearance in the ALCS ... and this is the World Series.

Ned played it fabulously if you ask me.