Football RGIII throws his teammates under the bus - Page 5

Deberg_1990 · 11-17-2014, 06:07 PM

Nice job

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?story...e.com%2F%22%7D

ASHBURN, Va., -- Washington Redskins coach Jay Gruden had no issue with the bulk of what quarterback Robert Griffin III said after Sunday's loss to Tampa Bay. But Gruden made it clear that Griffin went too far with his comments, leading to another potential issue with the struggling team.

And Gruden also emphasized, perhaps more importantly, a need for Griffin to improve his fundamentals.

After Sunday's 27-7 loss to Tampa Bay, Griffin spoke about the mistakes he had made and how he must play better. But towards the end of his press conference, Griffin said, "If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Mannings, those guys don't play well if their guys don't play well. I need every guy in that locker room and I know they are looking at me saying the same thing."

Griffin went one step too far for Gruden, who told the quarterback as much Monday. While Gruden agreed that others need to play better, that's a message that should come from a coach not a player.

"It's his job to worry about his position, his footwork, his fundamentals, his reads, his progressions, his job at the quarterback position," Gruden said. "It's my job to worry about everybody else. And, yes, everybody else needs to improve. There's no question about it. But it's not his place. His place is to talk about himself and he knows that. He just elaborated a little bit too much."

Perhaps spurred by Griffin's post-game comment, or perhaps by some headlines it generated, receiver DeSean Jackson posted a comment on Instagram that read, "You can't do epic s--- with basic people."

That led to Gruden addressing the issue in a team meeting Monday, not wanting another issue to escalate at Redskins Park -- as they often have over the years.

"I don't know exactly what DeSean meant, but I think he was frustrated a little bit with what came out about Robert," Gruden said. "One of the headlines was 'Robert throws team under the bus.' Whatever he said after the postgame got twisted around a little bit. It's our job in-house as players and coaches to make sure we say the right things and not let your words get twisted by the media or anybody. Otherwise it'll be he-said, she-said and there will be Twitter wars and social media events that will get out of control. We've got to put a stop to it now."

An hour or so after Gruden's press conference, Griffin took to social media and said on Twitter:

The Redskins are 0-2 since Griffin returned from a dislocated left ankle. Since his rookie season, Griffin's star has fallen, thanks to injuries and subsequent lackluster play. Washington has lost eight straight games that Griffin has started and played the entire game.

Sunday, he completed 23-of-32 passes for 207 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions. He was sacked six times, often because of indecision or improper fundamentals, Gruden said.

"Robert had some fundamental flaws," Gruden said. "His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can't happen. He stepped up when he didn't have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position."

Gruden said some of Griffin's issues stem from him trying to do too much, rather than just execute the basic play. He attributed that to Griffin's competitiveness. But sometimes, Gruden said, just simple precision works best.

"Just take your drops the right way and throw the five-yard stick route when you're supposed to and do the best you can," Gruden said. "Sometimes he worries a little bit too much, we've just got to try to get him better. His frame of mind is in the right place. It just doesn't come out the right way sometimes, but he wants to get better. He knows he has a long way to go to get better. If he stays on the right track as far as work ethic and listening and preparing, then he'll get better."

Gruden said sometimes Griffin sees something that isn't there or speeds up the play unnecessarily.

"You just have to play with greater poise," Gruden said, "and continue to rep these things so when you catch a shotgun snap or take a drop from center that should be the last thing you should think about. That should come natural. Right now, for whatever reason, those aren't coming natural and that's on us as a staff. We've got to make sure we make it as natural for him as possible."

OldSchool · 11-19-2014, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

He actually played two possessions after that hit (shanny was and is absolutely crazy). He was then diagnosed with a MCL sprain and went on to miss his next start. In hs starts after, he ran with a limp and was being treated on the sideline almost every other possession. He then had a "no contact" ACL tear against the Seahawks.

Say what you will, but I'm guessing the majority of the damage was done on that hit alone. Shanny and Snyder were absolutely out of their minds to play him after the Ravens game.

Or they were trying to win a division. His ACL must have been hanging by a thread with the way that his leg folded in the playoffs that year.

Chiefspants · 11-19-2014, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Or they were trying to win a division. His ACL must have been hanging by a thread with the way that his leg folded in the playoffs that year.

I agree. I'm guessing his ACL was begging to go at any moment.

Imo, a division isn't worth damaging a potential franchise QB's career.

Now.. if that hit happened in a championship game and a Super Bowl was at play? That's a different story.

OldSchool · 11-19-2014, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I agree. I'm guessing his ACL was begging to go at any moment.

Imo, a division isn't worth damaging a potential franchise QB's career.

Now.. if that hit happened in a championship game and a Super Bowl was at play? That's a different story.

Meh, I think that Griffin is too soft for the game right now. He just comes off as a spoiled brat. According to Steve Young and his sources, Griffin also lacks the work ethic of the franchise QB.

Griffin is closer to Drew Brees in body-type than he is to Newton of Kaepernick. He can't take that punishment and needs to completely focus on improving his play as a pocket passer.

Mr_Tomahawk · 11-25-2014, 10:10 PM

Washington is planning to start Colt McCoy over Robert Griffin III on Sunday at Indianapolis, per a team source.... http://t.co/o0WZcOitBr
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 26, 2014

WhiteWhale · 11-25-2014, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Meh, I think that Griffin is too soft for the game right now. He just comes off as a spoiled brat. According to Steve Young and his sources, Griffin also lacks the work ethic of the franchise QB.

Griffin is closer to Drew Brees in body-type than he is to Newton of Kaepernick. He can't take that punishment and needs to completely focus on improving his play as a pocket passer.

... what weird comparisons.

Griffin's body isn't much like any of those players.

The guy that popped in my head was Rogers... and to not my surprise he's the same height and weight.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-25-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Washington is planning to start Colt McCoy over Robert Griffin III on Sunday at Indianapolis, per a team source.... http://t.co/o0WZcOitBr
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 26, 2014

Per Adam Shefter, Colt McCoy just underthrew his teammates under the bus

Sure-Oz · 11-25-2014, 10:43 PM

Trade value is gone...should the chiefs try and trade for him?

**kysirsoze** · 11-25-2014, 11:17 PM

I called him being a bust due to injury, but I didn't see him being, apparently, a lazy asshole as well. Considering what Washington gave up for him, he might end up as the biggest bust of all time. Good lord.

tk13 · 11-25-2014, 11:20 PM

What's ironic is RGIII was about to face off with Andrew Luck this week. Now it's not going to happen.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-25-2014, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

What's ironic is RGIII was about to face off with Andrew Luck this week. Now it's not going to happen.

Yeah but if RGIII wins, people will claim it was bad luck

Iconic · 11-26-2014, 02:49 AM

Just hope another team, with a good coaching staff, gets a jab at RGIII before it's too late.

Don't think he'll ever reach his full potential at Washington.

**Mav** · 11-26-2014, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yeah but if RGIII wins, people will claim it was bad luck

From the bench?

Eleazar · 11-26-2014, 05:47 AM

Gruden is in the right, but Snyder will probably choose RGMe over him.

Simply Red · 11-26-2014, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Rg3 is done.

Probably - sucks - I like the guy.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-26-2014, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

Probably - sucks - I like the guy.

Definitely sad. I was rooting for the guy.

11-17-2014, 06:07 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3454454	RGIII throws his teammates under the bus Nice job http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?story...e.com%2F%22%7D ASHBURN, Va., -- Washington Redskins coach Jay Gruden had no issue with the bulk of what quarterback Robert Griffin III said after Sunday's loss to Tampa Bay. But Gruden made it clear that Griffin went too far with his comments, leading to another potential issue with the struggling team. And Gruden also emphasized, perhaps more importantly, a need for Griffin to improve his fundamentals. After Sunday's 27-7 loss to Tampa Bay, Griffin spoke about the mistakes he had made and how he must play better. But towards the end of his press conference, Griffin said, "If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Mannings, those guys don't play well if their guys don't play well. I need every guy in that locker room and I know they are looking at me saying the same thing." Griffin went one step too far for Gruden, who told the quarterback as much Monday. While Gruden agreed that others need to play better, that's a message that should come from a coach not a player. "It's his job to worry about his position, his footwork, his fundamentals, his reads, his progressions, his job at the quarterback position," Gruden said. "It's my job to worry about everybody else. And, yes, everybody else needs to improve. There's no question about it. But it's not his place. His place is to talk about himself and he knows that. He just elaborated a little bit too much." Perhaps spurred by Griffin's post-game comment, or perhaps by some headlines it generated, receiver DeSean Jackson posted a comment on Instagram that read, "You can't do epic s--- with basic people." That led to Gruden addressing the issue in a team meeting Monday, not wanting another issue to escalate at Redskins Park -- as they often have over the years. "I don't know exactly what DeSean meant, but I think he was frustrated a little bit with what came out about Robert," Gruden said. "One of the headlines was 'Robert throws team under the bus.' Whatever he said after the postgame got twisted around a little bit. It's our job in-house as players and coaches to make sure we say the right things and not let your words get twisted by the media or anybody. Otherwise it'll be he-said, she-said and there will be Twitter wars and social media events that will get out of control. We've got to put a stop to it now." An hour or so after Gruden's press conference, Griffin took to social media and said on Twitter: The Redskins are 0-2 since Griffin returned from a dislocated left ankle. Since his rookie season, Griffin's star has fallen, thanks to injuries and subsequent lackluster play. Washington has lost eight straight games that Griffin has started and played the entire game. Sunday, he completed 23-of-32 passes for 207 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions. He was sacked six times, often because of indecision or improper fundamentals, Gruden said. "Robert had some fundamental flaws," Gruden said. "His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can't happen. He stepped up when he didn't have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position." Gruden said some of Griffin's issues stem from him trying to do too much, rather than just execute the basic play. He attributed that to Griffin's competitiveness. But sometimes, Gruden said, just simple precision works best. "Just take your drops the right way and throw the five-yard stick route when you're supposed to and do the best you can," Gruden said. "Sometimes he worries a little bit too much, we've just got to try to get him better. His frame of mind is in the right place. It just doesn't come out the right way sometimes, but he wants to get better. He knows he has a long way to go to get better. If he stays on the right track as far as work ethic and listening and preparing, then he'll get better." Gruden said sometimes Griffin sees something that isn't there or speeds up the play unnecessarily. "You just have to play with greater poise," Gruden said, "and continue to rep these things so when you catch a shotgun snap or take a drop from center that should be the last thing you should think about. That should come natural. Right now, for whatever reason, those aren't coming natural and that's on us as a staff. We've got to make sure we make it as natural for him as possible."
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