2018 NFL midseason awards

[Msmith]

Interesting take in comparing Brees and Mahomes;

"Let's work through these two together, since they stand apart for me. The most obvious difference is the touchdown total. Mahomes has 29 touchdown passes. Twenty-nine! Brees has 18. Andrew Luck has 23, and nobody else in the league tops 20. The second-year sensation Mahomes is throwing for touchdowns on 9.1 percent of his passes, the second-highest mark in the league behind Ryan Fitzpatrick. The only passer to hit 9 percent in a 500-attempt season is Aaron Rodgers in 2011. Tom Brady didn't do it in 2007. Dan Marino didn't do it in 1984. This is a big advantage for Mahomes.

And then, when you start working through the rest of the categories, Brees picks up advantages, some significant. The veteran has thrown one interception on 279 pass attempts. Mahomes has thrown seven in 317 tries, although his pick on Sunday was essentially a Hail Mary after poor Chiefs clock management. Mahomes is completing 66.2 percent of his passes. Brees is completing 76.3 percent of his throws. Just as Mahomes is challenging the touchdown record, Brees is threatening to take the completion percentage record and jump it from 72.1 percent by more than 4 percentage points. Completions can be overrated, but 40.9 percent of Brees' completions go for first downs, which is well above the league average of 36.3 percent.

Mahomes is averaging nearly a full yard more per pass than Brees, but a lot of that comes from his receivers' work on screens. Strip them out and Brees is completing 74.9 percent of his passes and averaging 8.7 yards per attempt. Mahomes is completing 61.9 percent of his non-screen passes while averaging ... 8.7 yards per attempt. Both marks are great. You don't need me to tell you Brees' is better.

Of course, while both teams have excellent weapons, there's a reason I ranked the Chiefs' weapons as the scariest in football before the season. Brees' top two receivers are Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara. Pretty terrifying. Mahomes gets to work with Tyreek Hill and Kareem Hunt. Also scary. After that, though, Mahomes' next two guys up are Travis Kelce and Sammy Watkins. Brees is working with Benjamin Watson and either Ted Ginn Jr. or rookie Tre'Quan Smith, depending on when you're judging the arsenals. Brees has Mark Ingram to help in pass protection and a better offensive line given the injuries on the interior for the Chiefs, but Mahomes has more with which to work.

I'm not exactly the QB wins type, but the Saints are 7-1 and the Chiefs are 8-1. The Saints' lone loss came in a game against the Bucs in which Brees put up 40 points and his defense allowed 48 points. The Chiefs' lone loss came in a game in which Mahomes scored 40 points and his defense allowed 43 points to the Patriots. The only thing I might mention is that Mahomes left a couple of would-be touchdowns on the table with bad throws in the first half. It would be foolish to say Mahomes played badly, but it also would be naive to pretend he couldn't have played better given the opportunities at hand.

The case for Mahomes outside of the touchdowns isn't as obvious, at least to me. He has thrown 38 more passes than Brees, the product of not yet having his bye week. Mahomes offers far more with his legs than Brees, as the Texas Tech product has 144 rushing yards and two touchdowns on 25 carries once you remove those pesky kneel-downs from his totals. Brees, ceding touches in the running game to Taysom Hill, has turned nine carries into 34 yards, although he also has two scores on sneaks, which mitigates some of the gap between the two.

At the end of the day, there just isn't much between these two. Brees has a passer rating of 120.6 and a Total QBR of 84.5. Mahomes has a passer rating of 116.7 and a Total QBR of 85.4. They're 1-2 in each category. Maybe I lean toward Brees because the sentimental, sappy side of me wants to see the 39-year-old Brees finally win league MVP before he retires. If you prefer Mahomes, I can't fault you. If Mahomes gets to 56 passing touchdowns and breaks the league record in his first full year as a starter, I'll join you on that side of the fence. For now, though, very narrowly, I lean toward Brees."

Link:http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-rookies-plays

[Rasputin]

To the Franchise that boast the most cum for touchdowns


receive the..


carcosa award

[RunKC]

Mahomes is going to win this award unless he gets injured. He plays the freaking Cardinals and Raiders twice and a normal day at the office for him is 3 TD’s. I mean goddamn guys, Mahomes might score 12 TD’s alone just against the Raiders. That’s a legit possibility.

The kid is going to put up 50 TD’s and be the biggest statistical spotlight of the league.

I don’t want him to win it based on history of the damn thing, but he’s probably going to win it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes is going to win this award unless he gets injured. He plays the freaking Cardinals and Raiders twice and a normal day at the office for him is 3 TD’s. I mean goddamn guys, Mahomes might score 12 TD’s alone just against the Raiders. That’s a legit possibility.

The kid is going to put up 50 TD’s and be the biggest statistical spotlight of the league.

I don’t want him to win it based on history of the damn thing, but he’s probably going to win it.

When I saw how hard the media tried to get the world to care about brees' yardage accomplishment, I knew the fix was in. The spin cycle is already hyping up brees. Mahomes clearly deserves it. I think the league will continue to push the narrative that this is brees' last shot while mahomes has a long career ahead. It's total bullshit, but I'm preparing for it.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Brees is a dome baby. Look how extreme his splits are every year. It's ridiculous. He hasn't been snubbed, because he doesn't deserve an MVP...EVER

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Zilla you severely overrate passing yards..JFC A dome baby dinking and dunking away 50 times a game isn't winning an MVP

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Brees is a dome baby. Look how extreme his splits are every year. It's ridiculous. He hasn't been snubbed, because he doesn't deserve an MVP...EVER

His 2 games this year outdoors are completely pedestrian on the stat sheet. Much lower completion percentage, less than 7 yards per attempt, etc. I am curious to see how he plays in Cincy this week. Bengals defense is terrible, but it’s still an outdoors game with temps in the 40’s.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by DRM08

His 2 games this year outdoors are completely pedestrian on the stat sheet. Much lower completion percentage, less than 7 yards per attempt, etc. I am curious to see how he plays in Cincy this week. Bengals defense is terrible, but it’s still an outdoors game with temps in the 40’s.

EIGHTY fewer TD s on the road and a FULL less YPA for his career. That's a bit lower than normal, but not surprising

There hasn't been one season that he deserved MVP, this one included

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Zilla you severely overrate passing yards..JFC A dome baby dinking and dunking away 50 times a game isn't winning an MVP

I'm not overrating anything. Brees is a clear cut hall of famer. The saints are a damn good team and we know brees is by far the reason for it. Brees turned the saints around in 2006 and has won a super bowl, often with mediocre supporting casts. My vote is clearly mahomes, but I don't understand the need to undermine brees to do that.

[RunKC]

Not surprising one of the dumbest posters on this board is shitting on Drew brees career.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm not overrating anything. Brees is a clear cut hall of famer. The saints are a damn good team and we know brees is by far the reason for it. Brees turned the saints around in 2006 and has won a super bowl, often with mediocre supporting casts. My vote is clearly mahomes, but I don't understand the need to undermine brees to do that.

Did you read the article? The guy dives deep into the stats. Here is my deep dive into the stats. Mahomes has played 9/9 games outdoors and Brees has played 6/8 indoors.

Remember Butker’s missed FG against Cincy where the wind moved the ball about 15 yards the wrong way? Mahomes played great in that wind. How would Brees do? It’s a valid question to ask. Look at his numbers in the only two outdoor games he has played this year. They look like Alex Smith numbers. Pedestrian game manager stuff.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by wazu

Just compare last year’s Chiefs offense with this year’s Chiefs offense. What has changed? It’s as if one player has elevated the team by a gigantic, historic margin, making said team a Super Bowl contender even though most preseason experts didn’t even have them winning their own division.

This is so awesome.

Sammy Watkins?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Did you read the article? The guy dives deep into the stats. Here is my deep dive into the stats. Mahomes has played 9/9 games outdoors and Brees has played 6/8 indoors.

Remember Butker’s missed FG against Cincy where the wind moved the ball about 15 yards the wrong way? Mahomes played great in that wind. How would Brees do? It’s a valid question to ask. Look at his numbers in the only two outdoor games he has played this year. They look like Alex Smith numbers. Pedestrian game manager stuff.

I did. Again, I wouldn't give it to brees. Don't have to sell me on that. Yes, the outdoors thing is a factor that no doubt won't be factored in. But that doesn't take away from brees having an outstanding season. If not for mahomes being out of this world this year, brees would be a clear favorite and it wouldn't be close.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I did. Again, I wouldn't give it to brees. Don't have to sell me on that. Yes, the outdoors thing is a factor that no doubt won't be factored in. But that doesn't take away from brees having an outstanding season. If not for mahomes being out of this world this year, brees would be a clear favorite and it wouldn't be close.

Brees is playing great this year for sure, at least indoors. I am curious to see how that Cincy game goes for him. Chilly weather but the Bengals defense is giving up more yards per game than anyone this year.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

When I saw how hard the media tried to get the world to care about brees' yardage accomplishment, I knew the fix was in. The spin cycle is already hyping up brees. Mahomes clearly deserves it. I think the league will continue to push the narrative that this is brees' last shot while mahomes has a long career ahead. It's total bullshit, but I'm preparing for it.

Why is this his last shot? Has Brees announced his retirement?

[CupidStunt]

For you guys fretting:

Mahomes -110
Brees +400
Gurley +400
Rodgers +1600
Brady +1600
Goff +1800

Like I said, it's NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.