Defense doesn't win championships. Hard-ass coaches do.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorry, but you're wrong.

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards

It's the best 4-year stretch of Chiefs defense in the last 40 years. Talent ALWAYS trumps coaching.

I said OVERALL, "tissy"! Get off that cherry tree damnit!

[TipRoast]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Talent ALWAYS trumps coaching.

And with the draft, free agency and a salary cap, every team has roughly equal access to the same amount of talent.

Now, it's not exactly equal - if a team has a need for a QB and a high pick and it's a poor year for QBs, they may wind up with a Tim Couch or a Sam Bradford, whereas in a different year a team winds up with a Peyton Manning.

But talent can be found at all levels in the draft and in UDFAs. And resources can be allocated for free agents. Identification and acquisition of talent is critical.

But more critical than that is player development - and that's the role of coaching. How many first round draft choices fail to make it in the league because the didn't get the right coaching/mentoring at the professional level?

How many players fail with one franchise, only to succeed in their next venue when they link up with a coaching staff that can identify and develop their talent?

When the coaching level is the same, then the most-talented teams win.

When the talent level is the same, then the differences in coaching and team building become paramount.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorry, but you're wrong.

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards

It's the best 4-year stretch of Chiefs defense in the last 40 years. Talent ALWAYS trumps coaching.

And all that was wasted with a broke dick QB. Those were super bowl defenses.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

When the Chiefs were beating the Patriots in 2014 and 2017 it had precious little to do with attitude or who had the smarter coach.

It had everything to do with talent.

It's completely bizarre to think that every game is won by the team with more talent on the field. Coaching doesn't matter?

Teams also change over the course of a season. The team you have in September is NEVER the team you have in January. Between injuries and personnel moves, plus COACHING, the team almost inevitably improves, but the team that improves the most (relative to other teams, all of which are likely improving barring catastrophic injuries) is the team with the better coaching staff.

Not just X's and O's, but:

1. realizing strengths and weaknesses of your own team,

2. recognizing and eliminating tells and mitigating tendencies,

3. deciding which plays that aren't working should be eliminated, and which ones should be re-emphasized and better taught so they will work better on game day

4. deciding which personnel packages work best -- e.g. which groupings of players can best perform any given assignment or style of play.

5. matching plays to personnel packages, and vice versa.

6. coaching up players to eliminate mistakes, in every area from the fundamentals to mental errors to play-specific acts.

7. using whatever techniques you can to keep both the team morale and effort level high despite outside distractions, the long, grueling grind of the year, etc.

Or, you know, it's nothing but "talent"...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

It's completely bizarre to think that every game is won by the team with more talent on the field. Coaching doesn't matter?

It does matter.

It didn't matter as much in those particular matchups, is all I'm saying, which is why the Chiefs won.

And if the Chiefs had had Marcus Peters and prime Berry out there this year instead of shit corners and safeties I'm guessing Belichick's superior coaching wouldn't have mattered again.

As it is, we were an offsides away from it not mattering.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It does matter.

It didn't matter as much in those particular matchups, is all I'm saying, which is why the Chiefs won.

And if the Chiefs had had Marcus Peters and prime Berry out there this year instead of shit corners and safeties I'm guessing Belichick's superior coaching wouldn't have mattered again.

As it is, we were an offsides away from it not mattering.

Luck always plays a factor, as does health. If the Patriots had a healthy team in 2015 (damn near everyone was hurt) then I like our chances fine against the Broncos that year, and I think Dont'a Hightower helps make one stop against the Iggles, and now the Pats win 5 in a row.



Coulda, shoulda, woulda. None of it matters.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Luck always plays a factor, as does health. If the Patriots had a healthy team in 2015 (damn near everyone was hurt) then I like our chances fine against the Broncos that year, and I think Dont'a Hightower helps make one stop against the Iggles, and now the Pats win 5 in a row.



Coulda, shoulda, woulda. None of it matters.

Well, yeah.

Just saying OP is wrong.

We lost because of talent, period. Nothing else.

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Luck always plays a factor, as does health. If the Patriots had a healthy team in 2015 (damn near everyone was hurt) then I like our chances fine against the Broncos that year, and I think Dont'a Hightower helps make one stop against the Iggles, and now the Pats win 5 in a row.



Coulda, shoulda, woulda. None of it matters.

Yes health and luck have a lot to do with winning in the single elimination playoffs. I was glad that we were basically healthy in the playoffs and think that we paced ourselves during the season.

I do agree that injuries hurt our chance in 2015 AFCCG and last year SB, i think the Hightower loss was big.

[htismaqe]

You can't just morph it into "coaching doesn't matter". That's not the case.

Talent is the cake, coaching is the icing. Without coaching, you have a functional but dry dessert that seems incomplete. Without talent, you have a useless tub of sugary pseudo-pudding that only the most desperate would eat by itself.

[MahiMike]

I'd say it's the most prepared, detailed coaches. I'll say this. I saw Dee Ford offsides on almost a weekly basis. Didn't Sutton notice this when watching video? Apparently not. Why not? He could have "coached" him up and we would have a ring now.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

I'd say it's the most prepared, detailed coaches. I'll say this. I saw Dee Ford offsides on almost a weekly basis. Didn't Sutton notice this when watching video? Apparently not. Why not? He could have "coached" him up and we would have a ring now.

Are you kidding? Sutton was thinking about fly fishing and Werthers candies during film sessions.

[FloridaMan88]

Doug Pederson... a.k.a. the HC who won a Super Bowl 12 months ago would seem to be in the category of HC's the OP refers to as "nice guys".

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Doug Pederson... a.k.a. the HC who won a Super Bowl 12 months ago would seem to be in the category of HC's the OP refers to as "nice guys".

With a QB that CP thought was trash.

Foles will always be a Super Bowl winning QB. Alex will not.

[O.city]

It's talent AND coaching.

The great thing about Belicheck is that he's game to game. He doesn't line up and do the same thing "because it's what we do". He morphs his defense to beat each individual offense.

[Monty]

Originally Posted by TinyEvel

A friend of mine, talking about our game said, "I think in their mind the Chiefs had already won their Super Bowl. They embarrassed the Colts, AFCCG was at Arrowhead for the first time, They were on par with Bill/Brady. They were happy instead of hungry and mad."

This all day, but next year will be a different story now that they have a chance to reset the bar.