Chiefs I don’t see much talk about Pacheatcode becoming the new #1 - Page 5

RaidersOftheCellar · 10-24-2022, 07:36 AM

Everybody was pounding the table for Clyde—their favorite player to hate—to be demoted. And what do you know. The very next week, Andy gave you your wish. Yet nobody cares?

Let the reign of Pacheatcode begin.

**Dartgod** · 10-24-2022, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

First short yardage play we went right back to MEH.

Who, predictably, had a massive hole he jumped OUT of so he could slam into his O-Lineman and not pick up the first.

I screen captured the hole and just shook my head at it. I don't usually think those snapshot images are all that fair, but man - at the handoff there was a GIANT lane in front of him and he needed one stinking yard. And he bounced into his lineman instead.

He's just really damn bad.

Can you post the screenshot?

staylor26 · 10-24-2022, 10:03 AM

Maybe it's not so much about getting into a rhythm, but about getting more than 2-3 carries.

He's averaged over 5 YPC in every game where he's gotten more than 2-3 carries.

DJ's left nut · 10-24-2022, 10:06 AM

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Can you post the screenshot?

Look at that right foot. He's cutting INTO the pile. He had to actively pursue contact there when he had a MASSIVE running lane to the 1st down.

I really don't understand it at all.

DJ's left nut · 10-24-2022, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Maybe it's not so much about getting into a rhythm, but about getting more than 2-3 carries.

He's averaged over 5 YPC in every game where he's gotten more than 2-3 carries.

He's big, strong and fast but has some vision concerns.

Give him 5 carries and he'll take one of them for 10-15 yards and goose his numbers.

Think of it as black-jack. When you sit at the table, you have to have enough cash to ride a cold deck. You didn't get BETTER at blackjack - you just had enough runway to get through your tough beats and earn it back.

You sit down at a 10 dollar table with $50 bucks, all you've done is set $50 on fire more often than not. You've gotta sit down with 20 hands worth of bankroll so you can ride out a cold spell.

With a RB like Pacheco, you've just gotta get him a few more carries so he can eventually have one pop off. He didn't get 'better' - the dealer just stopped showing 10s to his 6 every damn hand.

-King- · 10-24-2022, 10:11 AM

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I'm not a huge fan of how he flails about. Seems like there's some wasted energy there. Plus his arms are all over the place. At least he doesn't fumble...

He has the funniest running style I've ever seen. It's so needlessly aggressive.

Wonder if they got him with a track coach and worked on his running form he'd be even faster/quicker.

-King- · 10-24-2022, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Look at that right foot. He's cutting INTO the pile. He had to actively pursue contact there when he had a MASSIVE running lane to the 1st down.

I really don't understand it at all.

He hates the open field.

I wonder what film review is like in the RB room.

DJ's left nut · 10-24-2022, 10:14 AM

Look at that hole!!!!!

Lord, now I'm just irritated again.

RaidersOftheCellar · 10-24-2022, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's because you believe in rhythm runningbacks.

They're not a thing. Or at least they're an extremely rare thing.

Defenses get tired. They get tired chasing QBs and WRs on passing plays as well. And they don't get the kind of rest/rotation that the skill position guys they're chasing around get.

The idea that the way to tire out a defense is to run at them doesn't stand up to scrutiny and the idea that a RB will suddenly start seeing holes he wasn't seeing in the first half if you keep giving him the football doesn't pass the sniff test.

And again, even if it DID, the juice doesn't justify the squeeze. Half-assing drives in the first half with unproductive runs so that you can have more productive runs in the second half makes zero sense. Just move the damn ball. First drive, last drive and all drives in between. If you're running it well, keep running it. If you're passing it well, keep passing it.

But if you aren't running it well early, the idea that you should keep doing it so you can run the ball better (but still move the ball less efficiently than you would passing it) just doesn't make any sense.

My point is mainly that it's foolish to judge a back after a couple bad/mediocre rushes. Yet I see it all the time. It's more of a sample size issue than a rhythm issue.

But every player at any position usually needs at least a few plays to get into a rhythm against a good defense. How many times have we see the offense start the game with an awful, awkward-looking series, only to begin shredding them by the 2nd or 3rd drive?

jd1020 · 10-24-2022, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

How many times have we see the offense start the game with an awful, awkward-looking series, only to begin shredding them by the 2nd or 3rd drive?

Saw it yesterday when they took Pacheco out and put CEH back in.

RaidersOftheCellar · 10-24-2022, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Look at that right foot. He's cutting INTO the pile. He had to actively pursue contact there when he had a MASSIVE running lane to the 1st down.

I really don't understand it at all.

Terrible.

DJ's left nut · 10-24-2022, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

My point is mainly that it's foolish to judge a back after a couple bad/mediocre rushes. Yet I see it all the time. It's more of a sample size issue than a rhythm issue.

But every player at any position usually needs at least a few plays to get into a rhythm against a good defense. How many times have we see the offense start the game with an awful, awkward-looking series, only to begin shredding them by the 2nd or 3rd drive?

About as often as we've seen Andy's scripted 15 plays vivisect the opposition. Didn't we set a record for opening drive touchdowns last year or the year prior?

If you want more opportunities, do something with the ones you get.

DJ's left nut · 10-24-2022, 10:17 AM

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Terrible.

Maybe he just needed to get in a rhythm...

jd1020 · 10-24-2022, 10:18 AM

If you took out the names in these arguments you really wouldnt be able to tell if you were talking about Pacheco or CEH.

DJ's left nut · 10-24-2022, 10:19 AM

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If you took out the names in these arguments you really wouldnt be able to tell if you were talking about Pacheco or CEH.

Except for the 'powerful and fast' part...

jd1020 · 10-24-2022, 10:20 AM

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Except for the 'powerful and fast' part...

Powerful is questionable.

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