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Old 01-02-2023, 08:42 AM  
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Old 01-02-2023, 10:54 AM   #61
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It would have been a terrible call. You either blow it dead, or let it play out with your flag in your pocket. Thankfully, he let it play out with his flag tucked away firmly.

If I'm remembering correctly, there was another play where the Chiefs had Wilson in their grasp and it should have been blown dead, but wasn't and it allowed him to get rid of the ball.
Now imagine you let that play go, you flag Jones and you extend the drive for the Broncos....in Arrowhead. If they thought it was bad for Cheffers....
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Old 01-02-2023, 10:55 AM   #62
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It would have been a terrible call. You either blow it dead, or let it play out with your flag in your pocket. Thankfully, he let it play out with his flag tucked away firmly.

If I'm remembering correctly, there was another play where the Chiefs had Wilson in their grasp and it should have been blown dead, but wasn't and it allowed him to get rid of the ball.
It was an 'interception' (I think from Bolton) that was reversed due to an illegal hands to the face penalty (I think on Williams).

And yeah, really bad job by the officials there. In the old world, I have no problem with them swallowing the whistle because it wasn't impossible that Wilson could've gotten out of there and some of the NFL's most exciting plays have started that way.

But in THIS era, with these silly RTP penalties, you just have to blow the whistle there. You can't let the play go UNLESS you're not gonna call RTP if these guys finish.

And we have no way of knowing if they will/won't until we blast a guy and take a potentially game altering penalty in the process.

Its the inconsistency between crews and even the internal inconsistency WITHIN crews that make this such a problem. The NFL has created a real problem here and they have nobody to blame but themselves for it.
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Old 01-02-2023, 10:57 AM   #63
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I remember when the Chiefs sucked so bad that we would whine about the refs all the time. When your team sucks, you need all the breaks to go your way to win games. If the Broncos don't want games to be decided by the refs, perhaps they should play well enough that the refs have less of an impact.

(To be fair, we still have plenty of ref whiners around here, but that's a different story.)
It’s different because the refs actually do hate the Chiefs imo
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It was an 'interception' (I think from Bolton) that was reversed due to an illegal hands to the face penalty (I think on Williams).

And yeah, really bad job by the officials there. In the old world, I have no problem with them swallowing the whistle because it wasn't impossible that Wilson could've gotten out of there and some of the NFL's most exciting plays have started that way.

But in THIS era, with these silly RTP penalties, you just have to blow the whistle there. You can't let the play go UNLESS you're not gonna call RTP if these guys finish.

And we have no way of knowing if they will/won't until we blast a guy and take a potentially game altering penalty in the process.

Its the inconsistency between crews and even the internal inconsistency WITHIN crews that make this such a problem. The NFL has created a real problem here and they have nobody to blame but themselves for it.
Yeah...and that penalty they called on Williams was some bullshit as well. Suddenly the .25 second that Williams index finger touched his face mask was worthy of a penalty. Like that doesn't happen a billion times every other game.
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Old 01-02-2023, 10:59 AM   #65
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I would also accept "Take the bitch QB down; no flags on the ground"

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If you want the whole "protect the QB" thing to stand up, you've gotta blow those plays dead when they're in the grasp.

Jones had Wilson wrapped up.
And this is why the refs suck. Some call it quick and others let it go since so many qb's like Josh Allen escape 3 guys grabbing him.
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The Jones play, the refs should of called Russell down as in the grasp. They didn't so Jones had to bring him to the ground. Not sure what the defense is supposed to do in the situation other than that.
This right here. He was completely wrapped up by Jones for what felt like an eternity. I kept waiting for the whistle. I was like wtf they were giving him extra time to wiggle out of it. It felt like Jones was waiting on whistle too and he probably was like no? Ok **** it.

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This right here. He was completely wrapped up by Jones for what felt like an eternity. I kept waiting for the whistle. I was like wtf they were giving him extra time to wiggle out of it. It felt like Jones was waiting on whistle too and he probably was like no? Ok **** it.

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What the **** are they mad about? We advance and they get a little better spot on the picks they still have.
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What the **** are they mad about? We advance and they get a little better spot on the picks they still have.
Imagine KC losing 15 in a row to a division rival, with that 15th win being in a game that you felt was officiated in favor of your opponent. Pretty sure you wouldn’t care about draft position at all.
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Imagine KC losing 15 in a row to a division rival, with that 15th win being in a game that you felt was officiated in favor of your opponent. Pretty sure you wouldn’t care about draft position at all.
One can only imagine......
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Well, if you were to ask them they would have either missed them or claim they were not penalties. This is why I try me best to not inject my Chiefs bias regarding the refs. I realize that fans always think the refs are against their team and miss calls for the other team. It’s as certain as the sun rising that the refs screwed over the losing team and the winning team’s fans overlook penalties their team committed that weren’t called. Honestly only the OPI on Sutton was one that I really think they messed up on.
And if it wasn't called we still win the game because we are the Chiefs and they are the Donks...
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