Why the Chiefs will pay a lot for Chris Jones

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/sinow/status/169...lHXA6BeO88mpxA

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Some of you are forgetting in 2020 Jones said he would just not play when asked about this similar kind of situation and commented that LeVeon Bell had told him about this kind of situation. I am just not sold on the thought that he will do things differently than his friend LeVeon Bell.

Bell has also said that he regrets that decision. There is absolutely zero chance that Chris ends his career in a better financial situation by sitting next year. Whether that's as important to him as feeling "respected," I don't know. It certainly doesn't seem like he's making purely rational decisions at the moment.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by O.city

They're not tagging him next year at 33.5 million dollars, so unless he just sits out and brings that number down, it's kind of not worth talking about.

I would venture to say they think of him more of a guy that's not your normal DE and ages differently, but we shall see.

I honestly don't get your logic on being so sure about Veach not tagging Jones even at $33.5M BUT also thinking that Veach should pay him $30+ million.

What do you think next years cap hit will be if Veach gives him $30M average?


I think we all would agree that if Veach does in fact reach a new deal with Jones that this years cap hit will go down from the $28.291 million it is ATM.

Veach seems to like cheap 1st years on new contracts but lets say the new deal only brings it down to say $20M instead of $28M to give Veach and the front office some breathing room.

$30M avg over lets say a 3 year deal is $90M with what about $60M in guarentees. If you take a $20M hit this year that means next year when you think it would be crazy for Veach to tag Jones for $33.5M but ok to give him a contract worth $30M average..his cap hit should be around that exact $33.5M number if not more.

I'm sure this is also one of the factors Veach is looking at and realizes why give him that $30M contract when worst case he could tag him for about the same cap hit in 2024 and look for a trade partner or just let him play on it.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Bell has also said that he regrets that decision. There is absolutely zero chance that Chris will end his career in a better financial situation by sitting next year. Whether that's as important to him as feeling "respected," I don't know. It certainly doesn't seem like he's making purely rational decisions at the moment.

That is the problem right now.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by O.city

If he indeed is the unicorn the article says he is, the next 3 years shouldn't be an issue.

I guess we will see if Veach and co agree or disagree though.

His history says that he isn't.

[64 Chief]

Matt Verderame recently suggested that part of the problem might be CJ's agents are trying to boost their image among other players.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by staylor26

We don't have Bill Belichick running our drafts. We're arguably the best drafting team in the NFL, so our roster will always be fine as long as we have Mahomes and Veach.

Is Belichick known as a bad drafter?

I'd hate to see what a good drafter would have accomplished the last few decades.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I don't see how they could cave now. It would make them look weak, and it might encourage other players to attempt the same thing.

At least if Jones ends his holdout, he can save face by saying something like "I made my point, I'm under contract, I want to play, I want to win back to back Super Bowls, we'll take care of this next year," etc.

What would the Chiefs say? "We panicked."

The Chiefs would have so much to lose, if he falls off as a player it'll be wow the Chiefs wasted some of Mahomes years getting duped by Jones.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Is Belichick known as a bad drafter?

I'd hate to see what a good drafter would have accomplished the last few decades.

The Patriots haven't drafted well in a really long time, Brady kept saving their asses.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Patriots haven't drafted well in a really long time, Brady kept saving their asses.

I mean not really. Bill always finds undrafted corners who play well, most notably Malcolm Butler who literally bailed out Tom.

They can find OL too. Thuney, Solder etc.

They just could not for their life draft WR's.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I mean not really. Bill always finds undrafted corners who play well, most notably Malcolm Butler who literally bailed out Tom.

They can find OL too. Thuney, Solder etc.

They just could not for their life draft WR's.

If you go post their draft history from the last like 10 years, it's really really ugly.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

I'm fine with paying Jones, and I'm also fine with tagging/trading after this year. That position may weaken, but the surrounding cast is going to keep getting stronger and stronger.

The main issue I have with paying him is that he seems to be the type that only gives max effort during contract years.

[DJ's left nut]

I just really wanna know when Quinnen Williams turned into an afterthought in these discussions.

Quinnen Williams is WAY closer to Chris Jones than Chris Jones is to the Aaron Donald that 'earned' that contract.

Aaron Donald was neck and neck with Reggie White in terms of pure dominance from the DT position. I mean he was an absolute monster at his apex. His stretch from 2017 to 2020 has to be close to the most dominant stretch of DL play ever. He was THAT good.

Jones is very very good. Again, HoF at his peak. But not Mount Rushmore of Defensive Linemen at his peak. And someday, if not already, Quinnen Williams will be that 'very very good' level of player in his own right, IMO.

And yet we just keep seeing writers say "well he's the closest the league has to Donald..."

He's great. But he's not that close to being Aaron Donald. And Quinnen Williams ain't that far from being Chris Jones. Jones isn't THAT much better than Hargrave was last year. He might not have been at ALL better than Dexter Lawrence was.

And while Jones was swinging out to the edge for some of his productivity (about 20% of his snaps there), Williams wasn't ever doing it. And Dexter Lawrence did ALL of his work from the damn A gap, which is absolutely bonkers. 63 pressures while being used only in the A/B gaps (and about 4-1 in the A gap) just doesn't happen.

Lawrence and Williams signed reasonable deals and have very VERY strong cases to make that they're more valuable assets over the next 4 seasons than Jones will be. And yet every damn article out there wants to act like Jones is Peak Donald 2.0.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I'm fine with paying Jones, and I'm also fine with tagging/trading after this year. That position may weaken, but the surrounding cast is going to keep getting stronger and stronger.

The main issue I have with paying him is that he seems to be the type that only gives max effort during contract years.

Everyone keeps saying that, but it's literally not true. Last year was not a contract year. This year is. We don't yet know how he'll play in a contract year, as he's always gotten extensions before he gets there.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Everyone keeps saying that, but it's literally not true. Last year was not a contract year. This year is. We don't yet know how he'll play in a contract year, as he's always gotten extensions before he gets there.

You're right....they technically haven't been contract years, but the years prior to an expected extension. If Jones is to be believed, he won't even play for half his contract year.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just really wanna know when Quinnen Williams turned into an afterthought in these discussions.

Quinnen Williams is WAY closer to Chris Jones than Chris Jones is to the Aaron Donald that 'earned' that contract.

Aaron Donald was neck and neck with Reggie White in terms of pure dominance from the DT position. I mean he was an absolute monster at his apex. His stretch from 2017 to 2020 has to be close to the most dominant stretch of DL play ever. He was THAT good.

Jones is very very good. Again, HoF at his peak. But not Mount Rushmore of Defensive Linemen at his peak. And someday, if not already, Quinnen Williams will be that 'very very good' level of player in his own right, IMO.

And yet we just keep seeing writers say "well he's the closest the league has to Donald..."

He's great. But he's not that close to being Aaron Donald. And Quinnen Williams ain't that far from being Chris Jones. Jones isn't THAT much better than Hargrave was last year. He might not have been at ALL better than Dexter Lawrence was.

And while Jones was swinging out to the edge for some of his productivity (about 20% of his snaps there), Williams wasn't ever doing it. And Dexter Lawrence did ALL of his work from the damn A gap, which is absolutely bonkers. 63 pressures while being used only in the A/B gaps (and about 4-1 in the A gap) just doesn't happen.

Lawrence and Williams signed reasonable deals and have very VERY strong cases to make that they're more valuable assets over the next 4 seasons than Jones will be. And yet every damn article out there wants to act like Jones is Peak Donald 2.0.

Fortunately it seems Veatch agrees with you.