Alex Smith: Chief's aren't running a "Cookie-cutter offense"

[Coogs]

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QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, Shanahan did and look what happened to RGIII.

I think we'll run the pistol, but I also think we'll run Reid's traditional offense out of it with a lotta spread concepts incorporated.

I see a bunch of option plays being utilized and I doubt that we will run it as much as RGIII did. They did more option running than anything.

If they run a screen while executing a run play and have Smith key on the main defensive player (most times the DE or OLB on whichever side you are executing) and decide which play will gain more yards, it will keep Smith from hitting the turf too frequently.

We will have to run Smith occasionally to keep the defense honest, but you can run the pistol option without running your QB too frequently.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, Shanahan did and look what happened to RGIII.

I think we'll run the pistol, but I also think we'll run Reid's traditional offense out of it with a lotta spread concepts incorporated.

That's what intrigues me about this season. Reid brought in two QBs who have been very successful running read option, but one is not very mobile and the other (Smith) is mobile enough, but not Kaepernick mobile. The reason RGIII gets hurt isn't what you're fearing (running QB being exposed to DEs). It's that they run him a LOT. I don't see the Chiefs doing that nearly as much with Smith.

There's a lot of directions. It's possible Reid is trying to run the "Gulf Coast Offense." Sean Payton is a WCO guy who created a spread out version of a WCO and Coryell offense. Which might explain bringing in Chase Daniel. Which scares me a bit because Smith is clearly not Drew Brees and I don't think it gets the best out of Jamaal Charles. I still believe the reason they thought Smith was different was his ability to run the read option. I bet the offense will feel more like a Saints/49ers hybrid than it does an Eagles offense with some wrinkles.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

I see a bunch of option plays being utilized and I doubt that we will run it as much as RGIII did. They did more option running than anything.

If they run a screen while executing a run play and have Smith key on the main defensive player (most times the DE or OLB on whichever side you are executing) and decide which play will gain more yards, it will keep Smith from hitting the turf too frequently.

We will have to run Smith occasionally to keep the defense honest, but you can run the pistol option without running your QB too frequently.

You can run the pistol without any designed QB runs.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Like it's been said, ad nausem, it's not like he's going to completely revamp his entire offensive system. You have this incredibly myopic conceptualization of what Reid can/will/must do with his offense based on historical perspective.

"He's ate Cheerios everyday for the past ten years. There is no freakin' way he's going to pick up a bowl of Wheaties and try it! No freakin' way!"

It's called adaptation. And while we haven't seen what Reid's KC offense is ultimately going to manifest as on the field on a game day situation, one could make the assumption that it will be a slightly different offense based on the hirings of Ault and Childress as "spread/pistol" consultants.

The spread and pistol have become prevalent at the NFL level after proving to be successful at the college level over the past ten years. (I still remember all the "Pro Style Set" guys squealing about "spread monkeys" and how that would never work on the NFL level. Short sighted imbeciles.) Reid's Lavell Edwards West Coast offensive system that he's employed isn't that far off from a Meyer/Ault type of spread/pistol in it's functional application, so taking that next step isn't really much of a reach.

Maybe I don't know the Eagles offense very well. Can you explain the Lavell Edwards WCO?

[O.city]

If we run the option, it will likely be 2 or 3 times per game. Like you said, we won't do it very much with Smith.

I think they were more concerned or more interested in his ability to throw the ball but thats just me.

Add to that the fact that he's probably a concussion away from potentially being a vegetable and I don't think they'll run him too awful much.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

btw the rEnglish didn't escape me


lol too funny


Truth is I like everyone. I'm just quicker to jump on some than others because they irritate the **** out of me.

Sorry for the irritation. we should have used protection
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[milkman]

Originally Posted by O.city

If we run the option, it will likely be 2 or 3 times per game. Like you said, we won't do it very much with Smith.

I think they were more concerned or more interested in his ability to throw the ball but thats just me.

Add to that the fact that he's probably a concussion away from potentially being a vegetable and I don't think they'll run him too awful much.

I'll be surprised, hell, shocked, if they run the run the option an average of even once per game.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/24/c...e-a-week-made/

Originally Posted by Greg Cosell
It’s very easy to blame Kyle Williams for the 49ers NFC Championship defeat. Certainly, without his punt return mistakes, San Francisco had a legitimate chance to advance to Super Bowl 46.

It could be argued that the 49ers played their brand of football against the Giants. They ran the ball 28 times for 150 yards, including 2 runs by Alex Smith out of the read option. Smith threw 26 passes, completing 12 for 196 yards and 2 beautiful touchdowns to Vernon Davis. He did not throw an interception. That’s the kind of offensive balance and efficiency the 49ers have preached, and executed, all season.

No miscues by Williams deep in San Francisco territory, and 49ers football reigns. I imagine the faithful see it that way. For those who do, the discussion is over. Nothing more needs to be said or evaluated.

It’s never that simple. As always, a careful study of the coaching tape revealed much more. The NFC Championship should not have been as close as it was. I wrote last week that Smith was the difference against the Saints in the Divisional Playoff, a game in which he was outstanding, especially in critical moments. Unfortunately for the 49ers, against the Giants, Smith was also the difference.

Let’s start with the first 3rd down of the game. It was 3rd and 4; the 49ers had already gotten 1 first down. Michael Crabtree ran a sail route (kind of a flattened corner route). He was wide open. Smith, with no pressure in the pocket, did not pull the trigger. It was a throw that had to be made. The result of the play was an incompletion on a late check down to Frank Gore.

The first play of the 49ers fourth offensive possession was also telling. It was a shot play, a called big play off Smith boot action. Williams ran a deep post off a stutter move. The double move froze Corey Webster, and Williams raced by him. The design of the play worked. Smith overthrew Williams by 5 yards. A good throw, and it was a touchdown. An adequate throw, and it was still a 50 yard gain. This was another missed opportunity.

But the first play of the second half was perhaps the most indicative of Smith’s performance. You come out of halftime with a specific plan. The 49ers went to one of their staples, the wheel route. A shot play right out of the gate. Delanie Walker, from his line of scrimmage tight end position, ran by a slipping Webster. The concept worked to perfection. Walker screamed down the sideline. Smith again did not pull the trigger from a clean pocket. He ended up getting sacked for a 7 yard loss.

These are just a few examples of Smith’s tentative and uncertain pocket play last Sunday. The bottom line was this: Smith was reluctant to let it loose on routes and throws that were not only well designed, but were open. They were primary reads. No progressions were involved.

One of the attributes that separates high level quarterback play in big games and critical moments is the willingness to make stick throws into smaller windows. Smith did that with confidence against the Saints. In the NFC Championship game, he was hesitant and cautious on throws that were clearly defined. Simply put, Smith left a lot of plays on the field against the Giants. While Williams publicly shouldered the burden of defeat, it was his quarterback who failed to deliver on the promise he had shown a week earlier.

Well, that puts the Kyle Williams bullshit to bed.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

If we run the option, it will likely be 2 or 3 times per game. Like you said, we won't do it very much with Smith.

I think they were more concerned or more interested in his ability to throw the ball but thats just me.

Add to that the fact that he's probably a concussion away from potentially being a vegetable and I don't think they'll run him too awful much.

We will see. I still think you're underestimating how tremendous the pistol offense is as a run offense, especially with the way Reid loves to use his RBs. And maybe overestimating the danger of the offense, where the main danger is for a QB that loves to run. Really the only danger is past the line of scrimmage.

I mean, even the 49ers run it 1/3 of the time so you're right, it's more of a wrinkle. But I don't think we run it 2 or 3 times. I could see us running it a decent number of times and that a lot of those plays out of that package will turn into a run option. Even though Reid doesn't love to run the ball, with his love for multi-dimensional fullbacks and tight ends, this offense fits beautifully into his overall scheme.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well, that puts the Kyle Williams bullshit to bed.

Not really.

It's been posted before, and the idiots that want to believe that Smith is something more than a mediocre game manager still want to place all the blame on Williams.

[Ace Gunner]

Cosell nailed good points, but to ignore the overall article is dumb -- he also said Smith did do those things to get them into the NFCCG the previous week.

I like the sudden death feel of football games -- one false move could ruin chances.

But to assume AS can't do it at that level by pointing at the one game there is just kind of stupid.

That'd be the same as saying Kaep isn't good enough at that level.

I think age/experience has some bearing, but the sample size is too small in both cases imo.

AS is the best QB in a chiefs uni since 2006 with Trent. not sure why folks are so negative about that. Even if he does win it all here, he's still just a stepping stone to a more viable solution in the future because of his age.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Maybe I don't know the Eagles offense very well. Can you explain the Lavell Edwards WCO?

Lavell Edwards, the former coach at Brigham Young, was one of, if not the progenitor of the "west coast" type of system which featured a pronged attack based on a focus on pass first, drop back offense with multiple reads out of a pro style set which utilizes the tight end and full back with regularity.

His coaching tree includes Andy Reid, Mike Holgrem, Brian Billick, Norm Chow, Steve Sarkisian, Hal Mumme, Kyle Wittingham, Mike Leach, etc.

LaVell Edwards and Dewey Warren created an offensive system at Brigham Young University (BYU) in 1972/'73. One reason for the success of this version of the offense was in its simplicity. Norm Chow said the offenses had around 12 basic pass plays and 5 basic run plays which were run from a variety of formations, with only some plays tagged for extra versatility, so that the players knew the offense by the second day of practice.

The highpoint of the BYU offense was a NCAA Division I-A national football championship in 1984 and a Heisman Trophy for Ty Detmer in 1990. BYU broke over 100 NCAA records for passing and total offense during Edwards' tenure.

Quick passing on first down is a tenet of the WCO/LaVell Edwards systems, and many times the primary receiver is actually the RB or TE, not the WRs. They attack the underneath zones while simulaneously stretching and clearing the coverage with deeper routes and crossing routes by the WRs.

Edwards was BYU's head football coach from 1972 to 2000. His offensive scheme was passing-dominated. He started coaching in an era when college football offenses were dominated by strong running attacks. His quarterbacks threw over 11,000 passes for more than 100,000 yards and 635 touchdowns. He got the idea to switch to a pass oriented team by looking at BYU's history. The BYU football program had been a dismal failure before Edwards with the notable exception of one conference championship that resulted from the aerial attack of Virgil Carter. This past success encouraged Edwards to open up the BYU offense.

Edwards coached prominent quarterbacks such as Gary Scheide, Gifford Nielsen, Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco, Ty Detmer, Steve Sarkisian, and Brandon Doman.

Awards won by his players include a Heisman Trophy, a Doak Walker Award, a Maxwell Award, two Outland Trophies, four Davey O'Brien Awards, seven Sammy Baugh Awards, and 31 All-America citations, including 11 consensus All-Americans. In 1984, he was named National Coach of the Year after BYU finished the season 13–0 and won the National Championship. Edwards retired after the 2000 season with a 257–101–3 record for a .717 winning percentage.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

Cosell nailed good points, but to ignore the overall article is dumb -- he also said Smith did do those things to get them into the NFCCG the previous week.

I like the sudden death feel of football games -- one false move could ruin chances.

But to assume AS can't do it at that level by pointing at the one game there is just kind of stupid.

That'd be the same as saying Kaep isn't good enough at that level.

I think age/experience has some bearing, but the sample size is too small in both cases imo.

AS is the best QB in a chiefs uni since 2006 with Trent. not sure why folks are so negative about that. Even if he does win it all here, he's still just a stepping stone to a more viable solution in the future because of his age.

It's something that followed him his entire career. Alex Smith is a nice guy and you want him to do well, because he works hard and cares about the craft. But he might be too nice of a guy. You want a little bit of edge. I remember on Sirius NFL Radio, they all the time used to question if he had that edge to lead the team in the huddle late in the game. That's the part that Smith's missing and I don't think that's coachable. He's not going to be a risk-taker and you have to be confident in taking risks, especially in pressure situations.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's something that followed him his entire career. Alex Smith is a nice guy and you want him to do well, because he works hard and cares about the craft. But he might be too nice of a guy. You want a little bit of edge. I remember on Sirius NFL Radio, they all the time used to question if he had that edge to lead the team in the huddle late in the game. That's the part that Smith's missing and I don't think that's coachable. He's not going to be a risk-taker and you have to be confident in taking risks, especially in pressure situations.

I loves me some "nice guy"/Cassel!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Lavell Edwards, the former coach at Brigham Young, was one of, if not the progenitor of the "west coast" type of system which featured a pronged attack based on a focus on pass first, drop back offense with multiple reads out of a pro style set which utilizes the tight end and full back with regularity.

His coaching tree includes Andy Reid, Mike Holgrem, Brian Billick, Norm Chow, Steve Sarkisian, Hal Mumme, Kyle Wittingham, Mike Leach, etc.

Yeah, that makes sense. Which is why I don't understand why people think the Chiefs won't run plenty of read option / pistol. Reid loves tight ends and fullbacks, and this allows you to take the same personnel and run something totally different and unexpected. We definitely have the guys to do it very well and there's obviously interest in the coaching staff to test it.