Cardinals ***Offical 2010 STL Cardinals Baseball Thread *** - Page 52

**BigRedChief** · 01-05-2010, 09:39 PM

Holliday signs. The Deal is Done. $120 Million over 7 years.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=stl

Signed or controlled for the next 2 years

Shumaker 2B
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Freese 3B
Ryan SS
And 2 CY Young caliber starting pitchers
Carp and Wainwright P

We get Lohse or Garcia to step up and be a reliable 3rd starter in the playoffs we can win a World Series with this line up.

StcChief · 04-28-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ada...-announ,17315/

I'll take that over ... being October laughing stock on Leno, Letterman, etc.

**Reaper16** · 04-28-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

I'll take that over ... being October laughing stock on Leno, Letterman, etc.

Marcellus · 04-28-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ada...-announ,17315/

That was just plain stupid.

**BigRedChief** · 04-28-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

That was just plain stupid.

uuuuhhh its the onion. Thats what they do.

DJ's left nut · 04-28-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I do NOT prescribe to the one pitcher, one out method in close games. I understand the lefty-righty matchup thing, but still, in a tight game he shouldn't burn through the bullpen like that. I'm sorry if I'm raining on your I HEART LARUSSA parade, but I thought he managed like a fool last night and we were lucky to get the win.

Spare me that bullshit. I have attacked LaRussa as much or more than anyone in this thread.

You got caught talking out your ass with no real justification for it.

Either present what you'd have done or shut the **** up.

DJ's left nut · 04-28-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

It worked out but I woudl have sent Carp out to at least start the 7th. He couldn't have done much worse than Hawksworth.

That's the only viable alternative LaRussa really had. Though I will again point out that Hawk hadn't given up a run thus far this season and really didn't look bad out there. His stuff was sharp, he just didn't get any breaks. Some nights the bear eats you...

But the problem with leaving Carpenter in was that Carp really was looking gassed. He'd been working with marginal stuff all night, he was having to really reach back for his pitches most of the evening. His balance still isn't right and he'd spent 6 innings laboring. At 89 pitches, even a clean inning puts him over 100 in a night where he was never cruising by any means.

That's why I don't trust pitch counts as a raw figure. The 89 pitches he threw tonight were harder than some of the 115 pitch CGs he's had in the past. They were harder than any 89 pitches Penny or WW have thrown this season. They were just taxing pitches and with the lead and a chance to get your staff leader a bit of a breather, taking him out was the smart move.

Frazod · 04-28-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Spare me that bullshit. I have attacked LaRussa as much or more than anyone in this thread.

You got caught talking out your ass with no real justification for it.

Either present what you'd have done or shut the **** up.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were Tony's girlfriend.

Be sure to dissect the next game after it's over and then declare both yourself and LaRussa geniouses.

Dick.

DJ's left nut · 04-28-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Sorry, I didn't realize you were Tony's girlfriend.

Be sure to dissect the next game after it's over and then declare both yourself and LaRussa geniouses.

Dick.

What. Would. You. Have. Done?

Pussy

Frazod · 04-28-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What. Would. You. Have. Done?

Pussy

I WOULD NOT HAVE USED A PITCHER PER OUT IN THE LATE INNINGS OF A ONE RUN GAME, YOU STUPID MOTHER****ER.

Shall I scan that in with a crayon for you?

What the **** is your problem? Did you not get a reach around last night?

DJ's left nut · 04-28-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I WOULD NOT HAVE USED A PITCHER PER OUT IN THE LATE INNINGS OF A ONE RUN GAME, YOU STUPID MOTHER****ER.

Shall I scan that in with a crayon for you?

What the **** is your problem? Did you not get a reach around last night?

So you leave Hawk in after 2 runs were already in and runners were at 1st and 3rd with one down?

Or do you leave Reyes in to walk the lead run into scoring position after retiring his lefty so he can face Heyward with the bases loaded?

Or leave an erratic, righthanded Boggs in to face Heyward with the bases loaded?

This game actually happened, numbnuts. You don't get to deal in abstracts.

You were talking out of your ass. You have no solutions, only bitching.

Frazod · 04-28-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you leave Hawk in after 2 runs were already in and runners were at 1st and 3rd with one down?

Or do you leave Reyes in to walk the lead run into scoring position after retiring his lefty so he can face Heyward with the bases loaded?

Or leave an erratic, righthanded Boggs in to face Heyward with the bases loaded?

This game actually happened, numbnuts. You don't get to deal in abstracts.

You were talking out of your ass. You have no solutions, only bitching.

I made my post WHILE THE GAME WAS GOING ON, not after it was over, jerkoff. Kind of hard to deal in absolutes before the thing's resolved. But it's really easy to pump up after the game's over, belch back the moves that happened and then say HA THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE!! GEE AREN'T I SMART. Nice work, Kreskin. Can I have last night's winning lottery numbers?

DJ's left nut · 04-28-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I made my post WHILE THE GAME WAS GOING ON, not after it was over, jerkoff. Kind of hard to deal in absolutes before the thing's resolved. But it's really easy to pump up after the game's over, belch back the moves that happened and then say HA THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE!! GEE AREN'T I SMART. Nice work, Kreskin. Can I have last night's winning lottery numbers?

Yeah, I have a real history of declaring myself brilliant in hindsight.

Besides, you now have the benefit of hindsight which should make things really easy for you. Additionally, all moves can be examined independantly of their results pretty easily.

Q: Hawk had already given up 2 runs, runners were at 1st and 3rd with 1 down and our 3 run lead now at 1. STOP -- What would you have done there?

A: (convenient place for you to actually respond with substance)

Q: Assuming you weren't braindead, you wouldn't have left Hawk in there as he was clearly struggling and we needed an easy out to keep the runner at 3b. So you would presumably have gone to a LOOGY. The LOOGY did his job and retired the runner. There are now 2 outs, runners at 1st and 3rd, and a RH hitter up. STOP -- What would you have done at this point? Why?

A: (Yet another convenient place for you to ignore reality and dodge the point)

Q: From there it's hard to say what would've happened, but leaving Reyes in to walk the bases full would've been obscenely stupid. He could've gone to McClellan, but McClellan's primary breaking ball is a curveball, which Glaus could easily deposit if McClellan missed with it; leaving Mac very little margin for error (remembering that Mac sometimes struggles with his breaker, especially early on in his appearances). Meanwhile, Boggs has much more of a power arsenal, which is exactly what Glaus struggles with. (see, this is substantive reasoning, you should try it). STOP -- What righty reliever would you have gone with here?

A: (This should be easy because you now have the perfect hindsight to explain why you think Boggs was a bad decision, though I will point out that you didn't post anything prior to LaRussa making the moves, but after he "Burned through almost his entire bullpen". In real time, you had no problem with any of the people he called in from the 'pen. That is also 'hindsight' sweetheart.

Q: Presuming that the inning continued to Heyward; do you leave a righty in to face him with the game on the line, or do you go to the other LOOGY?

A: (Dunno why I'm typing this, you're just going to say something vapid, obtuse and likely completely irrelevant).

Additional Comments: (Now I'll leave you to explain why your moves here were perfect whereas LaRussa was being a ****tard.)

Frazod · 04-28-2010, 02:26 PM

I'm at work, Hootie. Some of us have jobs. I don't have time to pour over what I would or wouldn't have done in a baseball game that's over.

But I'll tell you what. I'll wait until AFTER tonight's game is over, then I'll break down all the correct/incorrect moves for you, declare that everything that worked or didn't work was exactly what I would or wouldn't have done, and then throw out my shoulder patting myself in the back for being so ****ing smart.

GENIOUS, I TELL YOU!

DJ's left nut · 04-28-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I'm at work, Hootie. Some of us have jobs. I don't have time to pour over what I would or wouldn't have done in a baseball game that's over.

But I'll tell you what. I'll wait until AFTER tonight's game is over, then I'll break down all the correct/incorrect moves for you, declare that everything that worked or didn't work was exactly what I would or wouldn't have done, and then throw out my shoulder patting myself in the back for being so ****ing smart.

GENIOUS, I TELL YOU!

That's about what I figured.

Scurry along now, you have nothing to say.

Frazod · 04-28-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's about what I figured.

Scurry along now, you have nothing to say.

Yes, I'll drop everything to debate a moot point with an internet troll who thinks he the greatest baseball mind in cyberspace.

Or not.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-901038 VARSITY	*Offical 2010 STL Cardinals Baseball Thread * Holliday signs. The Deal is Done. $120 Million over 7 years. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=stl Signed or controlled for the next 2 years Shumaker 2B Rasmus CF Pujols 1B Holliday LF Ludwick RF Molina C Freese 3B Ryan SS And 2 CY Young caliber starting pitchers Carp and Wainwright P We get Lohse or Garcia to step up and be a reliable 3rd starter in the playoffs we can win a World Series with this line up.
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Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-896615	I'm at work, Hootie. Some of us have jobs. I don't have time to pour over what I would or wouldn't have done in a baseball game that's over. But I'll tell you what. I'll wait until AFTER tonight's game is over, then I'll break down all the correct/incorrect moves for you, declare that everything that worked or didn't work was exactly what I would or wouldn't have done, and then throw out my shoulder patting myself in the back for being so ****ing smart. GENIOUS, I TELL YOU!
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