***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Fish]

We don't like rumors. Please don't spread them. If you are telling people that the Nat. Guard is going to impose Martial Law, please stop. It's not true. They are busy being helping distribute medical supplies. Please and thank you. #COVID19 #kckpd #commonsense #norumors pic.twitter.com/SJrT5ndVEU

— KCKPD (@KCKPDChief) March 20, 2020

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

Another possibly dumb question. We're requiring no more than 10 people gather together right? Why are we allowing tons and tons of people into grocery stores?

Some places are limiting the number of shoppers in at any one time. Then again, grocery stores are pretty voluminous.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Some places are limiting the number of shoppers in at any one time. Then again, grocery stores are pretty voluminous.

Costco is doing it....

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by banyon

I’ve been no defender of China in this mess, but what did they actually say?

This was Jan 14th, and considering first case was early November.... they ****ing lied

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Costco is doing it....

Good. And hopefully they've enacted quantity limits per visit. They should have done that immediately, IMO.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Just great, we get a once in a generation QB followed by a once in a generation pandemic.


Because Chiefs!

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I’m not going to defend their numbers but I do take issue with your logic to arrive at your conclusion. It’s the same reason it’s erroneous to assume Italy is the standard trajectory for this. We don’t know all that much, and what we do know isn’t enough to say one country should be like another country. The only thing we really do know is that Italy seems to be standing out from the pack as far as having the worst outcomes. Why should Iran be having Italy’s outcomes and not say China who didn’t see Italy’s rapid growth or some other place not getting hit as hard as Italy? We could just as easily make a different statement and say Iran is getting hit hard even though based on what we know they should have had India’s numbers.

China's draconian lockdown is why they slowed the growth. Iran hasn't done anything remotely like that. They were in denial long after Italy admitted they have a problem. Multiple people high up in the Iranian govt have died. That's a really bad sign.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Most of america is obese. they don't need to eat.

This is correct.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This was Jan 14th, and considering first case was early November.... they ****ing lied

no way can we ever trust anything China says or reports.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

China's draconian lockdown is why they slowed the growth. Iran hasn't done anything remotely like that. They were in denial long after Italy admitted they have a problem. Multiple people high up in the Iranian govt have died. That's a really bad sign.

Both those countries have very close ties to China too.... again China screwed the world. They constantly lied, imprisoned people who spoke out. And all the way up to Jan 14th (2MONTHS AFTER FIRST CASE) they were telling WHO they had no direct evidence of human to human transmission.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Good. And hopefully they've enacted quantity limits per visit. They should have done that immediately, IMO.

Yes. 1 package of TP, paper towels and bottled water per customer.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by TLO

Russia has like zero cases. North Korea too. Maybe they'll let us borrow some?



Sure they do. They can go inside 10 at a time. Or better yet, grocery stores can find a way to go to an all online ordering pickup /delivery option.

I'm sure this is nowhere near feasible

So they stand packed together at the door waiting to go in?

[Donger]

Is anyone else ordering food/dinner from local restaurants? I've got plenty of food frozen, but I've decided to order out at least four times a week. We had a 1,454% increase in unemployment claims in Colorado. Maybe work together to try to mitigate the impact on local restaurants?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Well no ****ing shit.

We let it take root before we started testing. Every other country out there was testing en masse from the get go.

As testing ramps up, our numbers skyrocket.

This isn't hard.

There are still idiots on nextdoor who think the whole thing is a hoax. Every poster on CP is ultra-high-info by comparison.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

no way can we ever trust anything China says or reports.

Well when they wouldn’t let us in what do you do? Trump canceled flights early but unless the rest of the world followed (they didn’t) it was too late.

The WORLD should come down hard as shit on China