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Old 02-27-2013, 12:45 PM  
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:31 AM   #8596
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What I said was that Alex Smith could not maintain the level of efficiency he showed in San Francisco throwing 35 times a game.

That is what has happened.

His completion percentage, TD percentage, yards per attempt/completion, completion percentage and QB rating have taken nosedives.
Nosedive?

Smith's career QBR is 79. His QBR this year is 81.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:33 AM   #8597
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Yea you did. I am not digging through your 50billion posts.
You don't need to. Just about everything he says about the quarterback position is proved wrong. He relentlessly pimped Damon Huard, for ***** sake

He makes all his "evaluations" by googling stats and cherrypicking those that show what he wants to show, like yards per completion, eschewing all others.

You do have to do some crazy contortions in attempting to show that the quarterback of the passing attack that is dead last in the NFL is elite, as he does.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:37 AM   #8598
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Nosedive?

Smith's career QBR is 79. His QBR this year is 81.
One of the most common defenses of Alex Smith was to point to his good QB ratings in San Francisco the past two years. (90.7 and 104.1) as how efficient he could be.

When Clay and others talked about him not being able to perform at the same level when asked to throw more, this is the "Level" to which he was being compared, not his career QBR.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:39 AM   #8599
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Here's yet another All-22 breakdown of Alex Smith in which the reviewer mentions how All-22 makes it evident how many open throws Alex Smith avoids.

Just for fun.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:39 AM   #8600
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One of the most common defenses of Alex Smith was to point to his good QB ratings in San Francisco the past two years. (90.7 and 104.1) as how efficient he could be.

When Clay and others talked about him not being able to perform at the same level when asked to throw more, this is the "Level" to which he was being compared, not his career QBR.
Well it's pretty obvious that last year's QBR was an aberration. Not sure why anybody would expect him to suddenly turn into Joe Montana.

Of course, it doesn't' diminish the fact at all that comparing him to Matt Cassel is ****ing hilariously stupid.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:40 AM   #8601
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One of the most common defenses of Alex Smith was to point to his good QB ratings in San Francisco the past two years. (90.7 and 104.1) as how efficient he could be.

When Clay and others talked about him not being able to perform at the same level when asked to throw more, this is the "Level" to which he was being compared, not his career QBR.
Clay actually used specific numbers of throws etc...and said we couldn't win nor could he keep his turnover rate down.

Also when people talk about how is playing they continually say he cant improve because he is at his "career" average now so why would I expect he could play better. They aren't discussing his drop off from 2010 and 2011. Believe me I have been part of the conversations all week.

In other words it gets flipped to whatever suits your argument.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:44 AM   #8602
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Here's yet another All-22 breakdown of Alex Smith in which the reviewer mentions how All-22 makes it evident how many open throws Alex Smith avoids.

Just for fun.
Alex is the perfect example of that rare boxer that has everything he needs to win other than that instinct to let go when he's got the other guy hurt.

I bet I've watched a 1,000 fights (between MMA and Boxing) and the most frustrating thing ever is a super talented guy who has someone dazed and is too afraid to finish...
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:46 AM   #8603
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Clay actually used specific numbers of throws etc...and said we couldn't win nor could he keep his turnover rate down.

Also when people talk about how is playing they continually say he cant improve because he is at his "career" average now so why would I expect he could play better. They aren't discussing his drop off from 2010 and 2011. Believe me I have been part of the conversations all week.

In other words it gets flipped to whatever suits your argument.
Fair enough, and I haven't been involved in all the arguments this week. Not defending Clay's stance necessarily... just the stance that many (myself included) held before the season.

That Smith's efficiency was unlikely to hold up when asked to do more. That has been proven true, so far.

You could probably get 2011 and 2012 production from Smith again if you set up the same environment (low attempts, run-heavy offense) that Smith played in out there. But that's not something any of us should expect to see from Andy Reid any time soon.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:47 AM   #8604
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Alex is the perfect example of that rare boxer that has everything he needs to win other than that instinct to let go when he's got the other guy hurt.

I bet I've watched a 1,000 fights (between MMA and Boxing) and the most frustrating thing ever is a super talented guy who has someone dazed and is too afraid to finish...
Yes. watching him, I understand what Andy Reid saw when he was drooling over him and made him a target.

He CAN make all the throws and plays, physically. He's just not going to do it. Not part of his makeup.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:50 AM   #8605
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Yes. watching him, I understand what Andy Reid saw when he was drooling over him and made him a target.

He CAN make all the throws and plays, physically. He's just not going to do it. Not part of his makeup.
Exactly.

When Andy told him to "swing away Merril, swing away" I was very a-feared.

Now I see it wasn't team related, system related, it's ****ing INGRAINED in his ****ing DNA that avoiding a mistake is more important than making a play...
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Nosedive?

Smith's career QBR is 79. His QBR this year is 81.
Nosedive from his fake San Francisco bullshit days.

But you are right. He has reverted to form. To the QB he's always been...mister below average dyingly sad....
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Yes. watching him, I understand what Andy Reid saw when he was drooling over him and made him a target.

He CAN make all the throws and plays, physically. He's just not going to do it. Not part of his makeup.
Yep. Alex Smith should be a top 5 quarterback in the league. He is just a scared pussy throwing the ball which is why he around #20 in the league instead of the top.
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Fair enough, and I haven't been involved in all the arguments this week. Not defending Clay's stance necessarily... just the stance that many (myself included) held before the season.

That Smith's efficiency was unlikely to hold up when asked to do more. That has been proven true, so far.

You could probably get 2011 and 2012 production from Smith again if you set up the same environment (low attempts, run-heavy offense) that Smith played in out there. But that's not something any of us should expect to see from Andy Reid any time soon.
He also has been asked to do more with less. I don't think he's done a horrible job. I don't think reasonable person had expectations that he was going to repeat last year's stats. That said, I did expect a little more. We'll see..season isn't over.
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Nosedive from his fake San Francisco bullshit days.

But you are right. He has reverted to form. To the QB he's always been...mister below average dyingly sad....
And yet he's STILL not Matt Cassel.
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He also has been asked to do more with less. I don't think he's done a horrible job. I don't think reasonable person had expectations that he was going to repeat last year's stats. That said, I did expect a little more. We'll see..season isn't over.
More with less? On the OL, sure.

But talent at the skill positions is at least comparable, if not better. Bowe is the best individual WR he has played with. Charles is better than Gore, though Gore is a good back.

TE play is obviously not good. Avery is also not a BAD No. 2 WR, compared to what Smith has had to work with.

If you don't think this is a horrible job, what is? Alex Smith is in the last third in the NFL in every individual stat that matters except for INTs thrown.
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