Chiefs Earl Thomas a longshot to be a Chief - Page 58

Hog's Gone Fishin · 09-23-2018, 08:30 AM

They just said on ESPN we were on the list of teams that he could be dealt to.

O.city · 09-24-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It was reported they already rejected Dallas' 2nd round pick.

Then they can sit on him I guess.

htismaqe · 09-24-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

No, I'm not.

It's 4 or 5 years of a cost controlled young player vs 3 or 4 years of a high priced vet. If Thomas stays healthy and plays up to max potential, sure that's great.

I'm skeptical it would happen and you're losing value there. In the end, it depends what they have to give up. If it's the Rams 2nd rounder, fine. I don't care for it, but I can stomach it.

If it's a 1? No thanks.

You're assuming the probability of that young player panning out is higher than the probably of Thomas not staying healthy or falling off.

Based on recent history, that's a faulting assumption. They're defensive drafts have SUCKED. SUCKED.

I'm just not interested in banking picks at this point. I have zero confidence they'll use them effectively, at least not on defense.

Eleazar · 09-24-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

Give them the 1st rd pick. When has this franchise been this close since Len Dawson was a kid.

When you have your QB, you have the biggest hurdle already in place in the NFL. Mahomes is only 23. We can compete in the long term if we draft properly, build on both sides of the ball so that we can replace and reload perpetually.

I mean, 3 games into his first season as a starter people are already calling for us to trade away everything we can for aging veterans. It's not like we are in Montana's last years here.

We can build something on this, something like the league's most successful franchises have where they are always competitive instead of in these up and down 'window' cycles.

I don't buy the defeatest mindset that we can't draft well because the team is located in Kansas City and a bunch of people who aren't there anymore didn't draft well in preceding decades. We don't need to give up on the one proven way to succeed in the league - Get a QB and draft well consistently - we need to do it correctly. And if we aren't, the people in charge need to be replaced.

I realize we have PTSD as a fan base and we think that the Chiefs could never be one of the league's leading franchises but we need to keep our hands out of the monkey hand trap and build something sustainable.

Chiefnj2 · 09-24-2018, 01:55 PM

The other thing to take into consideration is that there is a chance KC uses a 1st or 2nd round pick on a safety anyway in the next draft.

Imon Yourside · 09-24-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It was reported they already rejected Dallas' 2nd round pick.

As the year goes on he would probably become cheaper every week, of course Dallas would probably get in before we would.

RunKC · 09-24-2018, 01:56 PM

Here’s a thought: why not get EB and Sorenson back, look to trade for another player giving up less value and then go after Earl Thomas in FA next Spring?

Sign Earl Thomas, have 3 draft picks in the top 64 picks and roll on.

htismaqe · 09-24-2018, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Giving a second for a safety that doesn't want to play here and wants big money will not happen . He wants to play for Dallas and we already have a massively over paid safety that sure as hell isn't taking a pay cut to help keep Thomas if we did get him. We don't have the money and Hill needs his at the end of the year.

There's a whole lot of assuming in this post.

htismaqe · 09-24-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Here’s a thought: why not get EB and Sorenson back, look to trade for another player giving up less value and then go after Earl Thomas in FA next Spring?

Sign Earl Thomas, have 3 draft picks in the top 64 picks and roll on.

"There's always next year!"

Imon Yourside · 09-24-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Here’s a thought: why not get EB and Sorenson back, look to trade for another player giving up less value and then go after Earl Thomas in FA next Spring?

Sign Earl Thomas, have 3 draft picks in the top 64 picks and roll on.

If we lost 49-48 in a playoff game then we'll regret not getting help sooner when we had the chance. Trying to prevent heartbreak.

Sorenson doesn't seem to be the answer.

O.city · 09-24-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're assuming the probability of that young player panning out is higher than the probably of Thomas not staying healthy or falling off.

Based on recent history, that's a faulting assumption. They're defensive drafts have SUCKED. SUCKED.

I'm just not interested in banking picks at this point. I have zero confidence they'll use them effectively, at least not on defense.

If that's the case, they need to get people in here that can then.

The probability that a 29 year old plays well into his early 30's isn't exactly high either.

htismaqe · 09-24-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The other thing to take into consideration is that there is a chance KC uses a 1st or 2nd round pick on a safety anyway in the next draft.

Their recent history with draft safeties is WORSE than other defensive positions. No thanks.

RunKC · 09-24-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

"There's always next year!"

This team is a SB contender right now without Earl Thomas. And they are about to get an All Pro caliber safety back.

Mecca · 09-24-2018, 01:59 PM

Yes I trust Brett Veach to draft yet another pass rusher when he likes fat dudes because they are tough.

This teams best bet is honestly to hope Houston takes a paycut after this year so that other spot can be occupied by a young player.

Also if this team has to use a 1 on a pass rusher after 2 straight years of 2nd round OLB's you'll know why this team has holes at CB...2nd rounders aren't suppose to be backups.

htismaqe · 09-24-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If that's the case, they need to get people in here that can then.

The probability that a 29 year old plays well into his early 30's isn't exactly high either.

He's got more INT's than our whole team. THIS SEASON.

The only season that matters to me.

**loochy** · 09-24-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

And they are about to get an All Pro caliber safety back.

They are? When?

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