Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 6

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

was he a colossal ridiculous bust? I don't see it yet, its definitely not fact at this point

WTF

We just drafted guys to phase him out.

He's up there with Kris Wilson.

**J Diddy** · 04-29-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

WTF

We just drafted guys to phase him out.

He's up there with Kris Wilson.

Is he supposed to hit them all?

I'll take what he's done with the draft over his predecessors save one, the 08 draft.

**TimeForWasp** · 04-29-2012, 11:06 AM

Good Job Pioli. Keep it up.

BoneKrusher · 04-29-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsNow

Good Job Pioli. Keep it up.

wish i had your patience.

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I was going to start a thread about this book, but I'll just link it here.

One of the first things he does is rip the Chiefs for thinking they can win games running the football and playing defense.

Mentions that we were the only team in the league to run the ball more than pass, even when we were losing.

http://www.amazon.com/Game-Plan-Appr...5717301&sr=1-5

**** it. Start the thread. I want to hear more.

Okie_Apparition · 04-29-2012, 11:09 AM

But complaining makes me look tuff
moody, all sexy & everything like that

BoneKrusher · 04-29-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

But complaining makes me look tuff
moody, all sexy & everything like that

i know i complain a lot.
hell, i just wanna see the Chiefs get respectful again before i die.

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

By that logic, we never will win a playoff game.

As long as Cassel and Pioli are here, yeah.

O.city · 04-29-2012, 11:13 AM

I like the kid as a person, but McCluster is basically done here. All signs point to the fact.

We drafted a third rb and a slot guy. Whats not to see?

**TimeForWasp** · 04-29-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

wish i had your patience.

I can smell how close we are. Even if Stanzi could come to camp with the take charge attitude, we could have an exiting season. I don't think Cassel will be here much longer. Things may shake out this year.

Okie_Apparition · 04-29-2012, 11:15 AM

The days of anger ****ing a skank in a piss trough over Bono are gone

milkman · 04-29-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I was going to start a thread about this book, but I'll just link it here.

One of the first things he does is rip the Chiefs for thinking they can win games running the football and playing defense.

Mentions that we were the only team in the league to run the ball more than pass, even when we were losing.

http://www.amazon.com/Game-Plan-Appr...5717301&sr=1-5

The Texans ran the ball more than they passed it in 2011.

GoHuge · 04-29-2012, 11:25 AM

Save everything you've all said over the last three days and look at it again in four years. Some are going to surprise, most will disappoint, but that's the nature of the draft. I don't really bother saying much about each guy we draft because we have no idea when/how/or if they are going to develop on the Sunday after the draft.

You all know this so why go batshit about it today? With the picks this regime had made along the O-line over the last 3 years (along with Winston) we could very well end up with a top-5 line very soon if not a top 3. I remember when (not long ago) the Chiefs were known as the best O-line in the NFL. A four year stretch in the 2000's and a huge part of the 90's. Those were some of the best Chiefs teams and I would love to get back to having even the national media talking about how good our line is. Unlike when we had the best O-line in the early 2000's we now have a defense that is extremely stout to go along with it and we won't have to score 40 points a game to win.

You can bitch about Cassel all you want, but it's not going to change anything for this year. He's going to have a well above average O-line protecting him which he's never had) with young and ascending players (except Lilja) and his supporting cast is very very good. He's got Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Charles, Hillis, Boss, Moeaki, DMC, and we'll see if the rookie skill position players can show some flash.

If you have Manning or Brady you don't have to have as stout of an O-line as we are building, but we don't and it has been repeated time and again that this team wants to run the ball. There was nothing sexy about our first 3 draft picks, but they were our biggest positions of need. We had zero (quality) depth on the O-line and that was made very obvious with Richardson starting.

Poe is boom-or-bust and I don't think it's arguable, but if he works out it will make our very good defense even better because a dominant nose is the one piece this defense has lacked the most. We have some solid pieces on the D-line and will have to see if guys like Bailey can continue to get better. Our linebacking crew is excellent at three spots and we will see what a healthy Siler can bring to the table along with Belcher. Our secondary is a top-5 secondary with Berry back so I think we're going to be fine.

The QB position is our biggest issue/need/unknown. Which Cassel do we get? The 27-7 TD to INT Cassel or his normal 1/1 ratio? IDK, but in his 27 TD season the Chiefs were the number one rushing offense and did it with a much lesser O-line than what we will have this year and Charles was sharing the carries with broke dick TJ. I've got to believe (sure as hell hope) Baldwin can become a serious WR threat and the better our running game is it will only help him, Boss,TM, Bowe, DMC (used VERY sparingly), Breaston, etc. I think it's possible we will see Charles be better than he's ever been even if he's not 100% back yet because this will be by FAR the best line he has ever run behind..........that's not even debatable.

Other than Cassel still being the starter the Chiefs have upgraded or added quality depth at every position on offense the last 2 years. I don't think Cassel is a long term solution, but who was available this year that the Chiefs could have signed/drafted that was going to be able to step right in and take over and be better than Cassel? The best we could have done was draft a project or signed a lateral player. This team can win with Cassel at the QB if we stay relatively healthy, our O-line and running game are as stout as they should be, and our defense that is already top 10 makes another step up with Berry back and more experience under their belt. We just need Cassel to manage the game and not **** it all up with stupid decisions.........which has been shown to be a lot to ask for out of him. We look next year to try and somehow upgrade the QB position. Can't address everything in one off season.

Call me a homer or say I am delusional I don't care. I'm not saying we're a Super Bowl contender, but I will be extremely disappointed if we aren't in the playoffs as the AFC West Champs. I think we can do it even with Cassel at QB if he can just manage the game and not be a complete disaster. I don't think Manning and the Broncos are going to be nearly as good as everyone thinks they will be and I think we are a 10 plus win team if we stay relatively healthy. This roster can do it.

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2012, 11:26 AM

That book is talking about 2010.

Epic Fail 007 · 04-29-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win.

oh yes because we all know pioli plays on the field. you idiot.

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1148179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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04-29-2012, 11:25 AM	#88
GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	Save everything you've all said over the last three days and look at it again in four years. Some are going to surprise, most will disappoint, but that's the nature of the draft. I don't really bother saying much about each guy we draft because we have no idea when/how/or if they are going to develop on the Sunday after the draft. You all know this so why go batshit about it today? With the picks this regime had made along the O-line over the last 3 years (along with Winston) we could very well end up with a top-5 line very soon if not a top 3. I remember when (not long ago) the Chiefs were known as the best O-line in the NFL. A four year stretch in the 2000's and a huge part of the 90's. Those were some of the best Chiefs teams and I would love to get back to having even the national media talking about how good our line is. Unlike when we had the best O-line in the early 2000's we now have a defense that is extremely stout to go along with it and we won't have to score 40 points a game to win. You can bitch about Cassel all you want, but it's not going to change anything for this year. He's going to have a well above average O-line protecting him which he's never had) with young and ascending players (except Lilja) and his supporting cast is very very good. He's got Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Charles, Hillis, Boss, Moeaki, DMC, and we'll see if the rookie skill position players can show some flash. If you have Manning or Brady you don't have to have as stout of an O-line as we are building, but we don't and it has been repeated time and again that this team wants to run the ball. There was nothing sexy about our first 3 draft picks, but they were our biggest positions of need. We had zero (quality) depth on the O-line and that was made very obvious with Richardson starting. Poe is boom-or-bust and I don't think it's arguable, but if he works out it will make our very good defense even better because a dominant nose is the one piece this defense has lacked the most. We have some solid pieces on the D-line and will have to see if guys like Bailey can continue to get better. Our linebacking crew is excellent at three spots and we will see what a healthy Siler can bring to the table along with Belcher. Our secondary is a top-5 secondary with Berry back so I think we're going to be fine. The QB position is our biggest issue/need/unknown. Which Cassel do we get? The 27-7 TD to INT Cassel or his normal 1/1 ratio? IDK, but in his 27 TD season the Chiefs were the number one rushing offense and did it with a much lesser O-line than what we will have this year and Charles was sharing the carries with broke dick TJ. I've got to believe (sure as hell hope) Baldwin can become a serious WR threat and the better our running game is it will only help him, Boss,TM, Bowe, DMC (used VERY sparingly), Breaston, etc. I think it's possible we will see Charles be better than he's ever been even if he's not 100% back yet because this will be by FAR the best line he has ever run behind..........that's not even debatable. Other than Cassel still being the starter the Chiefs have upgraded or added quality depth at every position on offense the last 2 years. I don't think Cassel is a long term solution, but who was available this year that the Chiefs could have signed/drafted that was going to be able to step right in and take over and be better than Cassel? The best we could have done was draft a project or signed a lateral player. This team can win with Cassel at the QB if we stay relatively healthy, our O-line and running game are as stout as they should be, and our defense that is already top 10 makes another step up with Berry back and more experience under their belt. We just need Cassel to manage the game and not **** it all up with stupid decisions.........which has been shown to be a lot to ask for out of him. We look next year to try and somehow upgrade the QB position. Can't address everything in one off season. Call me a homer or say I am delusional I don't care. I'm not saying we're a Super Bowl contender, but I will be extremely disappointed if we aren't in the playoffs as the AFC West Champs. I think we can do it even with Cassel at QB if he can just manage the game and not be a complete disaster. I don't think Manning and the Broncos are going to be nearly as good as everyone thinks they will be and I think we are a 10 plus win team if we stay relatively healthy. This roster can do it.
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