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journeyscarab · 10:36 AM

Time to put this in place. GO SHOX!!

If you are a fan of podcasts, I would recommend Talk Angry.

http://www.podcastgarden.com/podcast/talk-angry

2015-16 AP Preseason Top 25
1. North Carolina (35)- 1,566
2. Kentucky (10)- 1,520
3. Maryland (14)- 1,487
4. Kansas (5)- 1,410
5. Duke - 1,350
6. Virginia (1) - 1,347
7. Iowa St. - 1,185
8. Oklahoma - 1,088
9. Gonzaga - 1,047
10. Wichita St. - 1,032
11. Villanova - 1,013
12. Arizona - 917
13. Michigan St. - 838
14. California - 757
15. Indiana - 755
16. Utah - 499
17. Wisconsin - 433
18. Vanderbilt - 393
19. Notre Dame - 360
20. UConn - 307
21. LSU - 268
22. Baylor - 265
23. Purdue - 236
24. Butler - 223
25. Michigan - 126

ct · 01-21-2016, 03:06 PM

2 things...

#1 this team needs Fred so bad, nobody else is even close

#2 are they truly THAT much better wiht Fred back at full strength, or just getting in a groove, or is the MVC (rest of) that bad? Suppose i should include D) All of the above.

ok so 3 things, any thoughts on WSU in the AAC down the road?

Mr. Arrowhead · 01-22-2016, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ct

2 things...

#1 this team needs Fred so bad, nobody else is even close

#2 are they truly THAT much better wiht Fred back at full strength, or just getting in a groove, or is the MVC (rest of) that bad? Suppose i should include D) All of the above.

ok so 3 things, any thoughts on WSU in the AAC down the road?

I actually think the key the latest surge is the play of the bench. You got Connor, McDuffie, and the bigs. Then also you will get to add Shamet early to mid Feb. Makes this team really deep.
I would love to join the AAC as long as Uconn, Cinci and Memphis all stay. If they dont its gonna be around the same level as the MVC.

journeyscarab · 01-22-2016, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct

2 things...

#1 this team needs Fred so bad, nobody else is even close

#2 are they truly THAT much better wiht Fred back at full strength, or just getting in a groove, or is the MVC (rest of) that bad? Suppose i should include D) All of the above.

ok so 3 things, any thoughts on WSU in the AAC down the road?

Freds command of the floor cannot be under estimated. But I also think that the team is gelling with the new members and getting into the groove that was expected to happen before all the injuries took its toll.

The MVC has teams that are improving and providing better competition but still lacking.

I hope we can move to better conference that provides us the opportunity to go to the next level. If thats the AAC and the quality teams remain in the AAC then go for it. I think we've outgrown the MVC and it hurts us to remain there.

Andoverer · 01-22-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

I actually think the key the latest surge is the play of the bench. You got Connor, McDuffie, and the bigs. Then also you will get to add Shamet early to mid Feb. Makes this team really deep.
I would love to join the AAC as long as Uconn, Cinci and Memphis all stay. If they dont its gonna be around the same level as the MVC.

Yes 30 points for the Shockers off the bench vs. 2 for NIU the other night.

I heard or read that Shamet returning to play this season is in question and that he might decide to redshirt.

Andoverer · 01-25-2016, 01:04 PM

Well after the early season losses dragged WSU down to the bottom of the pool and basically put a huge damper on this thread, the Shox managed to find their way back into
the top 25 coaches poll at #25. It was a long road back and it certainly testified as to how important VanVleet is to this team. Still waiting to see where they land in the AP poll later today.

Andoverer · 01-25-2016, 01:09 PM

Number 22 in the AP poll now. Great to see it

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

journeyscarab · 01-25-2016, 04:35 PM

Yep working our way back into the rankings. GO SHOX!

Mr. Arrowhead · 01-31-2016, 08:42 PM

We pretty much unofficially clinched our 3rd straight MVC championship with a 13 point win at Evansville. Fred set a career high with 32 points. We just rolling!!!

Andoverer · 02-01-2016, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

We pretty much unofficially clinched our 3rd straight MVC championship with a 13 point win at Evansville. Fred set a career high with 32 points. We just rolling!!!

This and Gregg Marshall becoming the all-time winningest coach in Wichita State history. What a great catch he was for the Shox!

journeyscarab · 02-01-2016, 11:10 AM

Yep, pretty much expect to buzzsaw our way through the back 9 (or 8 now) and have a full head of steam going into St. Louis. Love this team and this coach!

Mr. Arrowhead · 02-01-2016, 01:11 PM

Shox move up to 21 in the AP polls this week

Andoverer · 02-01-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

Shox move up to 21 in the AP polls this week

Yeah it will be tough for them to move up much with the strength of the other teams in the Valley just not up there. The early losses were a mixed blessing. It hurt their rankings for now, but the bench players became much more involved and matured with all of the playing time they were able to get because of the starters injuries. Now they are a very deep team with lots of players you can trust in big games. Marshall just seems like the kind of coach that will get a lemon handed to him and make it into lemonade

Andoverer · 02-02-2016, 12:02 PM

Interesting observation from Yahoo Sports about Shox seeding....

Seeding Wichita State may be tricky for the committee next month

The toughest team for the selection committee to figure out how to seed in six weeks may very well turn out to be Wichita State.

The Shockers are somehow on pace to have an AP Top 25 ranking, a top 15 KenPom rating and the resume of a mid-major bubble team all at the same time.

Hampered by a wave of injuries during November and December, Wichita State did not live up to preseason top 15 expectations in non-conference play. The Shockers dropped games against Alabama, USC and Iowa at the Advocare Invitational in Orlando, stumbled again on the road at middling Tulsa and Seton Hall and only managed to notch one top 50 win.

Many questioned whether Wichita State would be dominant enough in league play to contend for an at-large NCAA tournament bid, but the Shockers have thrived so far despite scant margin for error.

Wichita State improved to 10-0 in the Valley on Sunday after traveling to second-place Evansville and thumping the Purple Aces 78-65. Not only have the Shockers won their league games by an average of 20.3 points apiece, they're now done with maybe their three toughest road games in league play.

Why has Wichita State been dominant in league play despite a disastrous start to the season?

Some of it is that the rest of the Valley is unusually pedestrian this year. Some of it is the continued improvement of freshman forward Markis McDuffie. But a lot of it is also that the Shockers have nearly their full complement of weapons again after playing without star point guard Fred VanVleet for most of five games, without starting forward Anton Grady for four games and without sharpshooting Kansas transfer Conner Frankamp until mid-December.

Back at nearly full strength, Wichita State is 16-5 overall and has a realistic chance of not taking a loss the rest of the regular season. KenPom favors the Shockers in each of their remaining games but projects them to slip up in one of them and enter the Missouri Valley tournament with a 24-6 overall record and a 17-1 record in league play.

Say that projection turns out to be spot-on and then the Shockers win three more games to capture the Missouri Valley tournament and improve to 27-6 entering Selection Sunday. Where do you seed them?

On one hand, its lone top 50 win would still be its Dec. 12 home victory over Pac-12 contender Utah. On the other hand, the Shockers would be 26-3 with VanVleet in the lineup and 23-2 with VanVleet and Frankamp both available.

Mock brackets currently have Wichita State anywhere from a No. 6 seed to a No. 12, which reflects the challenge of figuring out what to do with the Shockers. Do you reward them for running roughshod over the Valley? Do you penalize them for a lack of marquee wins? Or do you try to find some happy medium?

Ultimately, if Wichita State keeps winning, I hope the selection committee bucks history and take VanVleet's injury into account because otherwise the Shockers have a chance to be the team no high seed wants in its section of the bracket. Otherwise, can you imagine the reaction from the No. 1 seed whose second-round draw is a 27-win Wichita State team with a top 15 KenPom rating and loads of postseason experience?

It's all conjecture at this point, yet such a scenario is looking increasingly possible the way Wichita State is playing. Six weeks before Selection Sunday, the Shockers are trending toward becoming one of the committee's trickiest decisions.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-...185145839.html

Mr. Arrowhead · 02-02-2016, 12:16 PM

Great and solid points by both sides of the spectrum. If we do end up as a 8 or 9 seed. There is gonna be 1 pissed off 1 seed lol

Andoverer · 02-02-2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

Great and solid by both sides of the spectrum. If we do end up as a 8 or 9 seed. There is gonna be 1 pissed off 1 seed lol

Kansas anyone?

11-05-2015, 01:49 PM
journeyscarab SHOCKERS BABY! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Overland Park, KS Casino cash: $3543555	**The Official 2015-2016 Wichita State Repository thread Time to put this in place. GO SHOX!! If you are a fan of podcasts, I would recommend Talk Angry. http://www.podcastgarden.com/podcast/talk-angry 2015-16 AP Preseason Top 25 1. North Carolina (35)- 1,566 2. Kentucky (10)- 1,520 3. Maryland (14)- 1,487 4. Kansas (5)- 1,410 5. Duke - 1,350 6. Virginia (1) - 1,347 7. Iowa St. - 1,185 8. Oklahoma - 1,088 9. Gonzaga - 1,047 10. Wichita St. - 1,032** 11. Villanova - 1,013 12. Arizona - 917 13. Michigan St. - 838 14. California - 757 15. Indiana - 755 16. Utah - 499 17. Wisconsin - 433 18. Vanderbilt - 393 19. Notre Dame - 360 20. UConn - 307 21. LSU - 268 22. Baylor - 265 23. Purdue - 236 24. Butler - 223 25. Michigan - 126 Last edited by journeyscarab; 11-06-2015 at 10:36 AM.. Reason: Added Pre-season Top 25
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01-21-2016, 03:06 PM	#76
ct u b illian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: DooDah Casino cash: $10009436	2 things... #1 this team needs Fred so bad, nobody else is even close #2 are they truly THAT much better wiht Fred back at full strength, or just getting in a groove, or is the MVC (rest of) that bad? Suppose i should include D) All of the above. ok so 3 things, any thoughts on WSU in the AAC down the road?
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01-25-2016, 01:04 PM	#80
Andoverer Good dog Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Andover KS Casino cash: $9752653	Well after the early season losses dragged WSU down to the bottom of the pool and basically put a huge damper on this thread, the Shox managed to find their way back into the top 25 coaches poll at #25. It was a long road back and it certainly testified as to how important VanVleet is to this team. Still waiting to see where they land in the AP poll later today.
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01-25-2016, 01:09 PM	#81
Andoverer Good dog Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Andover KS Casino cash: $9752653	Number 22 in the AP poll now. Great to see it http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings Last edited by Andoverer; 01-25-2016 at 01:14 PM..
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01-25-2016, 04:35 PM	#82
journeyscarab SHOCKERS BABY! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Overland Park, KS Casino cash: $3543555	Yep working our way back into the rankings. GO SHOX!
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01-31-2016, 08:42 PM	#83
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	We pretty much unofficially clinched our 3rd straight MVC championship with a 13 point win at Evansville. Fred set a career high with 32 points. We just rolling!!!
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02-01-2016, 11:10 AM	#85
journeyscarab SHOCKERS BABY! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Overland Park, KS Casino cash: $3543555	Yep, pretty much expect to buzzsaw our way through the back 9 (or 8 now) and have a full head of steam going into St. Louis. Love this team and this coach!
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02-01-2016, 01:11 PM	#86
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	Shox move up to 21 in the AP polls this week
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02-02-2016, 12:02 PM	#88
Andoverer Good dog Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Andover KS Casino cash: $9752653	Interesting observation from Yahoo Sports about Shox seeding.... Seeding Wichita State may be tricky for the committee next month The toughest team for the selection committee to figure out how to seed in six weeks may very well turn out to be Wichita State. The Shockers are somehow on pace to have an AP Top 25 ranking, a top 15 KenPom rating and the resume of a mid-major bubble team all at the same time. Hampered by a wave of injuries during November and December, Wichita State did not live up to preseason top 15 expectations in non-conference play. The Shockers dropped games against Alabama, USC and Iowa at the Advocare Invitational in Orlando, stumbled again on the road at middling Tulsa and Seton Hall and only managed to notch one top 50 win. Many questioned whether Wichita State would be dominant enough in league play to contend for an at-large NCAA tournament bid, but the Shockers have thrived so far despite scant margin for error. Wichita State improved to 10-0 in the Valley on Sunday after traveling to second-place Evansville and thumping the Purple Aces 78-65. Not only have the Shockers won their league games by an average of 20.3 points apiece, they're now done with maybe their three toughest road games in league play. Why has Wichita State been dominant in league play despite a disastrous start to the season? Some of it is that the rest of the Valley is unusually pedestrian this year. Some of it is the continued improvement of freshman forward Markis McDuffie. But a lot of it is also that the Shockers have nearly their full complement of weapons again after playing without star point guard Fred VanVleet for most of five games, without starting forward Anton Grady for four games and without sharpshooting Kansas transfer Conner Frankamp until mid-December. Back at nearly full strength, Wichita State is 16-5 overall and has a realistic chance of not taking a loss the rest of the regular season. KenPom favors the Shockers in each of their remaining games but projects them to slip up in one of them and enter the Missouri Valley tournament with a 24-6 overall record and a 17-1 record in league play. Say that projection turns out to be spot-on and then the Shockers win three more games to capture the Missouri Valley tournament and improve to 27-6 entering Selection Sunday. Where do you seed them? On one hand, its lone top 50 win would still be its Dec. 12 home victory over Pac-12 contender Utah. On the other hand, the Shockers would be 26-3 with VanVleet in the lineup and 23-2 with VanVleet and Frankamp both available. Mock brackets currently have Wichita State anywhere from a No. 6 seed to a No. 12, which reflects the challenge of figuring out what to do with the Shockers. Do you reward them for running roughshod over the Valley? Do you penalize them for a lack of marquee wins? Or do you try to find some happy medium? Ultimately, if Wichita State keeps winning, I hope the selection committee bucks history and take VanVleet's injury into account because otherwise the Shockers have a chance to be the team no high seed wants in its section of the bracket. Otherwise, can you imagine the reaction from the No. 1 seed whose second-round draw is a 27-win Wichita State team with a top 15 KenPom rating and loads of postseason experience? It's all conjecture at this point, yet such a scenario is looking increasingly possible the way Wichita State is playing. Six weeks before Selection Sunday, the Shockers are trending toward becoming one of the committee's trickiest decisions. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-...185145839.html
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02-02-2016, 12:16 PM	#89
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	Great and solid points by both sides of the spectrum. If we do end up as a 8 or 9 seed. There is gonna be 1 pissed off 1 seed lol Last edited by Mr. Arrowhead; 02-02-2016 at 12:39 PM..
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