Our current WR costs.

[Bump]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Just bear in mind that we've never developed a WR in the Reid era, except Hill, and he's not a normal WR. It's very odd to me, when we have no problems developing RBs or even TEs, but it is what it is.

ya that's true. Hardman kinda just stayed the same for his 4 years and suffered bad injuries last season. It's not entirely up to just the coaching staff, the player has to want to get better and do what's necessary to get better. When I looked at Tyreek, he's gotta be one of the most in-shape players in the NFL and you can tell he puts in all of the extra work required.

We haven't really drafted too many WR's. Skyy being the only 2nd rounder and I think there was Chris Conley in the 3rd. Robinson (5th?) And then Powell who's on the practice squad, I could be forgetting someone too.

I'm still crossing my fingers that Justynn Ross turns into that what coulda been player, if he didn't have that spinal cord issue and concussion in college he probably would have been a 1st round pick.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Bump

ya that's true. Hardman kinda just stayed the same for his 4 years and suffered bad injuries last season. It's not entirely up to just the coaching staff, the player has to want to get better and do what's necessary to get better. When I looked at Tyreek, he's gotta be one of the most in-shape players in the NFL and you can tell he puts in all of the extra work required.

We haven't really drafted too many WR's. Skyy being the only 2nd rounder and I think there was Chris Conley in the 3rd. Robinson (5th?) And then Powell who's on the practice squad, I could be forgetting someone too.

I'm still crossing my fingers that Justynn Ross turns into that what coulda been player, if he didn't have that spinal cord issue and concussion in college he probably would have been a 1st round pick.

Reek had the advantage of speed/quickness, so he didn't have to be a great route-runner to get open. that quickness allowed him to avoid getting jammed and then he could just run by guys. He developed his release/stem/breaks as his career went on. But as a speed WR. He never had to be as precise about his footwork or his hand-fighting technique like a Larry Fitzgerald/Jerry Rice or more normal-speed WR.

'Normal' WRs have to have or acquire those kinds of skills or their time is short in the NFL. Skyy has nice footwork (still needs work, but he's further ahead than Hardman is right now) but he showed troubles getting off jams. I suspect he's working on that right now.

I'm not holding my breath as far as the Ross' are concerned. Any production Andy gets out of them will just be icing on the cake. doubt Andy can count on anything there.

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Reek had the advantage of speed/quickness, so he didn't have to be a great route-runner to get open. that quickness allowed him to avoid getting jammed and then he could just run by guys. He developed his release/stem/breaks as his career went on. But as a speed WR. He never had to be as precise about his footwork or his hand-fighting technique like a Larry Fitzgerald/Jerry Rice or more normal-speed WR.

'Normal' WRs have to have or acquire those kinds of skills or their time is short in the NFL. Skyy has nice footwork (still needs work, but he's further ahead than Hardman is right now) but he showed troubles getting off jams. I suspect he's working on that right now.

I'm not holding my breath as far as the Ross' are concerned. Any production Andy gets out of them will just be icing on the cake. doubt Andy can count on anything there.

another reason that we never seem to draft of develop a WR, or Reid with the Eagles is because it's probably a position that easier to tell if they are going to be good or not and the top talents are gone a lot by the 2nd round. Usually the top 20 in the first. I was watching some video of the best WR's from each round.

MVS is one of the greatest 5th round pick WR's of all time, for example.

Andy Reid is a winner and doesn't often get a draft pick in the top 15.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Just bear in mind that we've never developed a WR in the Reid era, except Hill, and he's not a normal WR. It's very odd to me, when we have no problems developing RBs or even TEs, but it is what it is.

Well, again, though, we really haven't tried other than Hardman, which was a bit of an emergency shot given the Hill situation at the time.

We've largely neglected to try for years.

But Moore in the 2nd, and Toney a 1st from the previous draft would indicate an intent.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, again, though, we really haven't tried other than Hardman, which was a bit of an emergency shot given the Hill situation at the time.

We've largely neglected to try for years.

But Moore in the 2nd, and Toney a 1st from the previous draft would indicate an intent.

Well, Andy has no real consistent history of developing WRs in PHI either. He had Jackson, who's really an advanced role player, and a couple 'decent' WRs he drafted, and that's about it. I'm not scared, but it's at least a concern.

Toney just needs to be healthy. I'm not really concerned whether people think he's a 1 or 2. He's a starter if he can be healthy, period. Problem is, he has no history of being able to do that.

Skyy . . . I want him to be good. I think at worst he could be a reliable short-range possession WR. On another team he'd probably spend his career in the slot.

But he has shortcomings that I'm not sure are all fixable by the last quarter of the 2023 season. I'm more than a little uncertain that Skyy will catch 80 balls this season. 50-55 seems a lot more realistic.

[Hoover]

With a team with a core of Mahomes, Travis, Thuney and Jones, you have to have position groups were you go cheap, mainly through drafting talented young players.

Veach very well could have just decided that the WR is now a place where he will invest draft capital instead of salary cap money. I'm fine with it. I will know in about a month.

[Chris Meck]

Jeezus, it's nice to have a rational conversation about this. It's been awhile.

[kozzman555]

Veach always pulls off some wild as shit move. Would not be surprised to see him trade for some WR we didn't even have on the radar that is just awesome.