Is Flacco really worth that much?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

"ball control". Is this an Smith-ism?

Flacco can make any throw. He isn't limited at all, actually.

Smith's limitations go far beyond downfield passing. That's all you see when you watch him play?

Flacco is not limited by physical ability, he's limited my mental ability which is probably worse.

just one game and he might adapt but whenever he has to move or adjust in the pocket he turns 'gangly' pretty quick and then some ugly things can happen.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

"ball control". Is this an Smith-ism?

Flacco can make any throw. He isn't limited at all, actually.

Smith's limitations go far beyond downfield passing. That's all you see when you watch him play?

Ah.

So you're simply going to remain militantly incorrect.

Okay - Have fun with that.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've said it several times - Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex Smith, he's just different.

Flacco is a bomber. He's going to challenge downfield a lot and miss a lot. He's equally inaccurate at pretty much all levels. There's nothing accurate or consistent about Joe Flacco as a passer - the guy just flat misses passes at a pretty alarming rate, as we saw last night.

But the Ravens have made him the perfect example of how an erratic passer should be used. If you can't be counted on to throw a 10 yard slant accurately (where it could easily be picked), might as well chuck it downfield where you can pick up a PI or a high reward play. Worst case scenario is a pick that operates as a punt. That's exactly how you utilize QBs like Flacco and Manning it's how you should utilize guys that are even worse than that (Sanchez is my favorite example).

Smith is the opposite - he's exceptionally accurate and consistent on the short passes so that's how best to utilize him.

If you were to grade their overall effectiveness, they're both B- quarterbacks. Flacco just does it in an entirely different way than Smith does.

Flacco is more exciting than Alex because he will throw it deep. With that said, your comments are on the money. It didn't hurt that last season he had Boldin who would catch the ball as long as it was near him. He's going to look very bad this season, imo.

If you don't have super star WRs like Boldin, you're probably better off with Alex.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've said it several times - Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex Smith, he's just different.

Flacco is a bomber. He's going to challenge downfield a lot and miss a lot. He's equally inaccurate at pretty much all levels. There's nothing accurate or consistent about Joe Flacco as a passer - the guy just flat misses passes at a pretty alarming rate, as we saw last night.

But the Ravens have made him the perfect example of how an erratic passer should be used. If you can't be counted on to throw a 10 yard slant accurately (where it could easily be picked), might as well chuck it downfield where you can pick up a PI or a high reward play. Worst case scenario is a pick that operates as a punt. That's exactly how you utilize QBs like Flacco and Manning it's how you should utilize guys that are even worse than that (Sanchez is my favorite example).

Smith is the opposite - he's exceptionally accurate and consistent on the short passes so that's how best to utilize him.

If you were to grade their overall effectiveness, they're both B- quarterbacks. Flacco just does it in an entirely different way than Smith does.

The Donks did a great job with Tebow using that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

The Donks did a great job with Tebow using that.

Exactly.

If you have an inconsistent QB, go get a burner or two, maybe a jump ball guy, and get to chucking downfield.

Tebow throwing short made no sense - the guy was as likely to miss a 10 yard pass as he was to miss a 30 yarder. So increase the reward so that it's commensurate with the risk and suddenly your offense actually makes sense.

The Ravens have the running game to keep secondaries honest, as did the Broncos when Tebow/McGahee were making noise. When the Giants are at their best, they have guys like Jacobs/Bradshaw forcing the safeties to respect the run.

Inconsistent QBs need to fire downfield. It's the opposite of how things are historically done and I think the common wisdom here is just wrong.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Exactly.

If you have an inconsistent QB, go get a burner or two, maybe a jump ball guy, and get to chucking downfield.

Tebow throwing short made no sense - the guy was as likely to miss a 10 yard pass as he was to miss a 30 yarder. So increase the reward so that it's commensurate with the risk and suddenly your offense actually makes sense.

The Ravens have the running game to keep secondaries honest, as did the Broncos when Tebow/McGahee were making noise. When the Giants are at their best, they have guys like Jacobs/Bradshaw forcing the safeties to respect the run.

Inconsistent QBs need to fire downfield. It's the opposite of how things are historically done and I think the common wisdom here is just wrong.

Totally. The last thing a puncher wants to do is get involved in a boxing match.


Conversely, Jamaal and Bowe can take a ten yard pass to the house about as easily as a forty yarder. So with Smith you have an offense where the reward is the same but you greatly reduce the risk.

[Mr. Laz]

This is the first time Flacco will be asked to carry a team and i'm not sure he can. Maybe it was just a shock factor and he will adjust but i don't know.

Flacco looked a bit Cutler-esque last night to me.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

This is the first time Flacco will be asked to carry a time and i'm not sure he can. Maybe it was just a shock factor and he will adjust but i don't know.

Flacco looked a bit Cutler-esque last night to me.

That's a great comparison.

Right on the money type comparison.

Well said.

[Mav]

Oh, and to the OP.

ABSOLUTELY/ Signed Browns, and Bengals fans......

[Pitt Gorilla]

There was a thread on here regarding his signing. Some thought he was worth it and others thought the contract was ridiculous.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

There was a thread on here regarding his signing. Some thought he was worth it and others thought the contract was ridiculous.

Playing at Denver skews everything.

They have the best HFA in the NFL. It's not just psychological it's ****ing biological.

And it's week 1.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Playing at Denver skews everything.

They have the best HFA in the NFL. It's not just psychological it's ****ing biological.

And it's week 1.

That is true. And I wonder how much of a body blow that no challenge by Harbaugh really set them back.

That turned the entire game.

[Mav]

Ray Rice ran the ball 12 times, the ravens ran the ball 21 times, and threw 62 times. You wont win EVER against the Broncos if you try to shoot it out with them. They are too powerful on offense, Peyton is too smart, and too good to do that.

There isn't a single team in the league right now, that can try to win a shoot out with the Broncos. That is my opinion. Their offense is way too explosive. They have the oline, they have the qb, they have 4 receivers, and tight ends.

The Ravens tried to justify Flaccos contract last night, and failed. They never once just hunkered down utilized the run game, and beat down the Broncos.

That's on them. Stupid is, as stupid does.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Ray Rice ran the ball 12 times, the ravens ran the ball 21 times, and threw 62 times. You wont win EVER against the Broncos if you try to shoot it out with them. They are too powerful on offense, Peyton is too smart, and too good to do that.

There isn't a single team in the league right now, that can try to win a shoot out with the Broncos. That is my opinion. Their offense is way too explosive. They have the oline, they have the qb, they have 4 receivers, and tight ends.

The Ravens tried to justify Flaccos contract last night, and failed. They never once just hunkered down utilized the run game, and beat down the Broncos.

That's on them. Stupid is, as stupid does.

That stadium has less available oxygen than any in the league.

Tire them out - no huddle- hurry up - whatever. As the game goes on the altitude alone will make Denver a better 2nd half team...

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Ray Rice ran the ball 12 times, the ravens ran the ball 21 times, and threw 62 times. You wont win EVER against the Broncos if you try to shoot it out with them. They are too powerful on offense, Peyton is too smart, and too good to do that.

There isn't a single team in the league right now, that can try to win a shoot out with the Broncos. That is my opinion. Their offense is way too explosive. They have the oline, they have the qb, they have 4 receivers, and tight ends.

The Ravens tried to justify Flaccos contract last night, and failed. They never once just hunkered down utilized the run game, and beat down the Broncos.

That's on them. Stupid is, as stupid does.

I think that NO, GB, NE, and Atlanta could all win in an up-tempo, high scoring game.