Surprise!! Rufus knocks free agency (again) - Page 6

shaneo69 · 01-27-2005, 09:02 AM

DAWES: THIS YEAR'S FREE AGENT DU JOUR
Jan 27, 2005, 1:46:52 AM by Media Watch by Rufus Dawes

The tired voices of past criticism are using another off-season to postulate another Chiefs predicament. Oddly, learning nothing from the immediate past, they are beginning again to advance another generation of tired prognostications. Bob Gretz calls this time of year the “Silly Season” and, indeed, it is. As I sit here in my room in Mobile at the Senior Bowl, I’ve been reading the latest remedy for what ails the Chiefs. From what I understand from the folks back home, names are being tossed around by anybody who’s been able to talk himself onto a radio shout-fest or needs to fill a space in the local newspaper.

Gretz goes on to list some of the familiar player names that have been put out there for the Chiefs to pursue. More column inches have been spent on the notion that unrestricted free agency is a ruse than on any that this writer has contributed to this site. You can search the archives and you’ll find a fairly convincing case that building through free agency doesn’t work. Yes, there are exceptions from time to time but to contend that by signing one or more your season can be turned around it pure nonsense.

One local columnist has never met a marquee free agent name that he didn’t like. Jeff George, Hugh Douglas (he, of “give him the money, Lamar” fame) and Troy Vincent are recent names that come to mind. His latest free-agent du jour, Patriots corner Ty Law, is perhaps his silliest. Should the Chiefs seek out Law if there is a mutual interest? Absolutely. But the cost could be prohibitive considering the player’s age and physical condition. (see more in Gretz) It’s more likely that the Patriots won’t even put up much of a fuss. That’s the Patriots way, and the Steelers way and the Eagles way. Everybody is expendable in their eyes and they quickly part company with starters, all-pros, and such and move to backups. It seems to have worked well, don’t you think?

Consider, if you will, the Patriots who on this year’s trip to the Super Bowl started someone named Randall Gay (undrafted rookie free agent) at left corner and someone named Asante Samuel from that NCAA powerhouse Central Florida at right corner. They finished the season as a top-ten defense and held the explosive Indianapolis Colts offense to no touchdowns in their playoff win. The Pats ranked second in the NFL in points surrendered without last year’s starting corners Ty Law and Tyrone Poole.

So, to run around claiming once again to “give (Law) the money” is to have learned nothing, even if you don’t consider that over the past season the rules affecting cornerback play have changed so significantly as to make the idea of a shut-down corner obsolete.

Champ Bailey’s acquisition by the Denver Broncos last offseason did not improve the team’s defense. The Denver defense was better statistically against the pass in 2003 with Kelly Herndon and Lenny Walls as starters than it was with Bailey as its key cover guy. Denver was a wild card team without him and it was a wild card team with him. Maybe Ty Law would improve the Chiefs defense – it wouldn’t take much – but to throw money at him and sit back and think you’ve cured all of the team’s ills is to have learned nothing about a game you’re charged to provide insight on.

Insight is a term that doesn’t get much traction these days, least of all among some columnists, who prefer to fashion themselves more as entertainers. Good journalism is about linking fact with opinion. Good journalism is about fine analysis and making distinctions and about making a case. Because too many columnists believe they can say whatever they want without having to prove it, we are left with a journalism whose narrative and analytical failings have become ever more glairing. When will they learn and when will we?

Otter · 01-27-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

Point...He did try to upgrade the defense, you just don't agree with the strategy.

I'm going to have to remember this next year's salary negotiation: "Sure the year was a failure and I haven't completed my objectives in 16 years...but I tried!!!".

I'm in the wrong business.

KCTitus · 01-27-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

i would not be surprised in the least to find out that KcTits/nmt1 was Rufus Dawes.

his intense disdain for anything fans related is VERY dawes-esque

and he's been licking carl's anus for as long as i've seen him post.

I could only be so lucky...alas, I am not. Im sorry to disappoint you, but it's been evident for a long time disappointment and you are good friends.

My disdain isnt for the 'fans' it's basically for people like you...too stupid to realize you're an idiot.

Cannibal might be upset at you taking his 'insult'...

nmt1 · 01-27-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

31 other teams didn't have the best offense in the league going into the year for the second consecutive season. That's THREE years now that we've had half a team.

The 'decision' to replace the DC and JUST the DC was frigging brain-dead. Yeah, it was ALL Knobinson's fault.... Guinta and the rest of DV's buddies had nothing to do with a league-wide JOKE of a defense. Players had nothing to do with it either.... nope, Knobinson was so bad, he made them miss tackles. Yeah, that's it. Replace just GR and re-sign all the players from the league-wide JOKE of a defensive squad. Brilliant!

I want them ALL fired. Inept. Totally inept.

You do have a point about the Chiefs having half a team though the Chiefs aren't the only team that only has half a team.
It'd be great to have a top five team in both categories but it's hard to accomplish in today's NFL.
The Chiefs did replace the defensive coordinator but they did aquire one player who never had played for the Chiefs before via free agency(who played well, BTW) and several via the draft(one of which nearly tied DT's rookie sack record). Regardless of what you say, you don't agree with what the Chiefs did last offseason. I'll be the first to agree that those players didn't work out this past season.
I'm sure I could find many quotes from last offseason saying that the defense would be so much better with out Greg Robinson.
I don't know why you care so much about the Chiefs coaching staff now, I thought you said you were going to root for the Redskins this year.

nmt1 · 01-27-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

i would not be surprised in the least to find out that KcTits/nmt1 was Rufus Dawes.

his intense disdain for anything fans related is VERY dawes-esque

and he's been licking carl's anus for as long as i've seen him post.

This thread just didn't feel right without Laz's great insights.

nmt1 · 01-27-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

I'm going to have to remember this next year's salary negotiation: "Sure the year was a failure and I haven't completed my objectives in 16 years...but I tried!!!".

I'm in the wrong business.

Well we can both see that they didn't achieve a Superbowl victory. I guess we should fire the other 31 GM's that don't make it this year too. Hope your tight with all the NFL team owners.

Otter · 01-27-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

Well we can both see that they didn't achieve a Superbowl victory. I guess we should fire the other 31 GM's that don't make it this year too. Hope your tight with all the NFL team owners.

Tell me nmt1, when is it OK for the fans to expect results or change? I think 16 years is a pretty fair shot.

Enlighten me with your insight.

nmt1 · 01-27-2005, 11:30 AM

KCTitus:

If I'm you and you're me, are you using two PC's to post this stuff?

**the Talking Can** · 01-27-2005, 11:30 AM

Rufus with a brave new forumla for continuing to suck arse....yea

let's do nothing...I mean, lets coach our untalented players "up" so they suck just a little less

don't sign FAs....keep the worthless players you have and like it

HC_Chief · 01-27-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

I thought you said you were going to root for the Redskins this year.

Not once did I say that. You need to re-read my posts.
And, now that the search function is re-enabled, feel free to look into my posts prior to this season in regards to our "moves" to improve the defense. You'll find I'm either psychic, or able to see the BLATENTLY OBVIOUS: simply replacing the DC is NOT going to radically improve the worst _efense in the league.

Go ahead and play ostrich if you want; I'm not going to follow suit. The writing is on the wall in regards to Vermeil and Peterson.... has been for some time now. I just hope CP follows suit and fuckS OFF when DV retires. He was a miserable failure as a GM and it is WAY past time for the Chiefs to make a change.

nmt1 · 01-27-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Tell me nmt1, when is it OK for the fans to expect results or change? I think 16 years is a pretty fair shot.

Enlighten me with your insight.

You can wish in one hand and crap in the other, see which one fills up first. Bottom line, you're a fan, just like me. Neither of us are even season ticket holders. We can expect a lot but we're probably gonna be disappointed the vast majority of the time.
I expect little from the Chiefs but I watch with much interest.

KCTitus · 01-27-2005, 11:34 AM

The search feature has been turned back on? How come I didnt get th memo?!

HC has made some good calls in the past, Holmes and Freeman both come to mind...although I did take you to task on Freeman, you got it.

Ive said before, Im ready for a change at GM...actually, Im somewhat excited at the thought.

Taco John · 01-27-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

I read the article and missed the part where he “knocks free agency (again).”

Can someone help me out?

xoxo~
Gaz
Not as sharp as he used to be.

No kidding? You missed it huh?

Damn. I turned 30 today. How long do I have to go before I start missing such obvious things.

HC_Chief · 01-27-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

HC has made some good calls in the past, Holmes and Freeman both come to mind...although I did take you to task on Freeman, you got it.

Heh, I kinda asked for it with the way in which I explained my position: drunken tirade (went to a wedding reception that night... had a lot of fun; that is, until I saw who KC drafted).

nmt1 · 01-27-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Not once did I say that. You need to re-read my posts.
And, now that the search function is re-enabled, feel free to look into my posts prior to this season in regards to our "moves" to improve the defense. You'll find I'm either psychic, or able to see the BLATENTLY OBVIOUS: simply replacing the DC is NOT going to radically improve the worst _efense in the league.

Go ahead and play ostrich if you want; I'm not going to follow suit. The writing is on the wall in regards to Vermeil and Peterson.... has been for some time now. I just hope CP follows suit and fuckS OFF when DV retires. He was a miserable failure as a GM and it is WAY past time for the Chiefs to make a change.

My apologies, must've been Shane that said that.

My heads not in the sand. I obviously have a differing opinion than you. Yes, Carl hasn't won any Superbowls or AFC Championships for that matter. He has, however, put together a competitive team that has made Lamar lots of money and has turned KC into a football town. Lamar thinks he's done a good job and Lamar holds the checkbook.
I'd love to see the Chiefs win the Superbowl but I won't expect anything.

I agreed then and I agree now that only replacing Robinson wasn't going to turn the D around over night. There's lots to do to make them better and I look forward to them being better regardless of who the GM or head coach or defensive coordinator is.

Otter · 01-27-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

You can wish in one hand and crap in the other, see which one fills up first. Bottom line, you're a fan, just like me. Neither of us are even season ticket holders. We can expect a lot but we're probably gonna be disappointed the vast majority of the time.
I expect little from the Chiefs but I watch with much interest.

I have no illusion of power with the Chiefs.

You didn't answer my question however, let me try to re-word: Judging by your stance on the organization, how many more years do you feel Peterson should have to complete his goal of a Super Bowl before stepping aside and admiting failure?

If it bothers you so much to form an opinion concerning the Chiefs pretend he is President of the US or...CEO of a corportate stock that you hold...when do you cast your vote for someone else or sell the stock?

Your opinion holds roughly the same amount of input value in all three situations.

01-27-2005, 09:02 AM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Surprise!! Rufus knocks free agency (again) DAWES: THIS YEAR'S FREE AGENT DU JOUR Jan 27, 2005, 1:46:52 AM by Media Watch by Rufus Dawes The tired voices of past criticism are using another off-season to postulate another Chiefs predicament. Oddly, learning nothing from the immediate past, they are beginning again to advance another generation of tired prognostications. Bob Gretz calls this time of year the “Silly Season” and, indeed, it is. As I sit here in my room in Mobile at the Senior Bowl, I’ve been reading the latest remedy for what ails the Chiefs. From what I understand from the folks back home, names are being tossed around by anybody who’s been able to talk himself onto a radio shout-fest or needs to fill a space in the local newspaper. Gretz goes on to list some of the familiar player names that have been put out there for the Chiefs to pursue. More column inches have been spent on the notion that unrestricted free agency is a ruse than on any that this writer has contributed to this site. You can search the archives and you’ll find a fairly convincing case that building through free agency doesn’t work. Yes, there are exceptions from time to time but to contend that by signing one or more your season can be turned around it pure nonsense. One local columnist has never met a marquee free agent name that he didn’t like. Jeff George, Hugh Douglas (he, of “give him the money, Lamar” fame) and Troy Vincent are recent names that come to mind. His latest free-agent du jour, Patriots corner Ty Law, is perhaps his silliest. Should the Chiefs seek out Law if there is a mutual interest? Absolutely. But the cost could be prohibitive considering the player’s age and physical condition. (see more in Gretz) It’s more likely that the Patriots won’t even put up much of a fuss. That’s the Patriots way, and the Steelers way and the Eagles way. Everybody is expendable in their eyes and they quickly part company with starters, all-pros, and such and move to backups. It seems to have worked well, don’t you think? Consider, if you will, the Patriots who on this year’s trip to the Super Bowl started someone named Randall Gay (undrafted rookie free agent) at left corner and someone named Asante Samuel from that NCAA powerhouse Central Florida at right corner. They finished the season as a top-ten defense and held the explosive Indianapolis Colts offense to no touchdowns in their playoff win. The Pats ranked second in the NFL in points surrendered without last year’s starting corners Ty Law and Tyrone Poole. So, to run around claiming once again to “give (Law) the money” is to have learned nothing, even if you don’t consider that over the past season the rules affecting cornerback play have changed so significantly as to make the idea of a shut-down corner obsolete. Champ Bailey’s acquisition by the Denver Broncos last offseason did not improve the team’s defense. The Denver defense was better statistically against the pass in 2003 with Kelly Herndon and Lenny Walls as starters than it was with Bailey as its key cover guy. Denver was a wild card team without him and it was a wild card team with him. Maybe Ty Law would improve the Chiefs defense – it wouldn’t take much – but to throw money at him and sit back and think you’ve cured all of the team’s ills is to have learned nothing about a game you’re charged to provide insight on. Insight is a term that doesn’t get much traction these days, least of all among some columnists, who prefer to fashion themselves more as entertainers. Good journalism is about linking fact with opinion. Good journalism is about fine analysis and making distinctions and about making a case. Because too many columnists believe they can say whatever they want without having to prove it, we are left with a journalism whose narrative and analytical failings have become ever more glairing. When will they learn and when will we?
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