Warped view of LJ's performance thus far.

[BigVE]

I havent seen anything in writing quite like this. Someone wrote in to S.I. and asked Ryan Houston, Special to SI.com, a fantasy question:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...bag/index.html

"
After seeing what happened during Week 1, would it be crazy for me to start Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson at the same time? I have read that they will alternate series' 2 to 1. I have Steven Jackson, Fred Taylor, Brandon Jacobs, and Lamar Gordon also. Does this seem like a bad idea?
-- Paul

"On our radio show we received calls about this all day. Everyone is very concerned what kind of impact Larry Johnson is going to make on Priest Holmes' numbers this season. I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter. Sure he had two TDs but how often is Larry Johnson going to turn nine carries into 110 yards and two TDs? Holmes was the focal point of the offense and will be as long as he can stay healthy."



Excuse me, but wouldnt THAT (getting 110 and 2TD's on 9 carries) be enough to show that a guy just MIGHT be decent enough to be an every week starter?? Who is this clown?

[kchero]

On my fantasy team I dont have Priest, but I do have LJ and you bet Im starting him! He proved his worth last year.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Personally, I think this Raider game will be a perfect example of why Holmes should be the starter. I don't think LJ's style will get it done in this game.

Whatever.

What is it that you see in the Raiders' defense that is going to expose LJ as second-string material? Nothing has slowed him down yet. Is the Raider D that good? If you are predicting that he will have a bad game then okay, but to make a statement that seems to suggest that you will be proven correct about LJ if he has a bad game is totally another. If you think you are correct then explain ahead of time what it is about this upcoming game that is going to prove that LJ's "style" won't get it done.

[The Bad Guy]

Ryan Houston owns the site I write for.

And he's not talking about Johnson from an NFL perspective, he's talking about him from a fantasy starter perspective.

LJ isn't an every week starter. Realistically, how many times is a guy going to average over 10 yards per carry on 9 carries with 2 tds?

[keg in kc]

I can't speak for jspchief, but my guess is he's saying that straight ahead power running isn't the way to attack the raiders.

Now, I think LJ has proved that while he's different than priest, he can excel in any running play we call, whether it's a draw, sweep, or any kind of outside run, as well as the inside runs.

I think either one could have a big game. Maybe both, again. I just don't think a big game from both will happen every week all year. Not with Priest getting 20+ touches, and LJ getting 10 or fewer.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by penchief

Whatever.

What is it that you see in the Raiders' defense that is going to expose LJ as second-string material? Nothing has slowed him down yet. Is the Raider D that good? If you are predicting that he will have a bad game then okay, but to make a statement that seems to suggest that you will be proven correct about LJ if he has a bad game is totally another. If you think you are correct then explain ahead of time what it is about this upcoming game that is going to prove that LJ's "style" won't get it done.

I'm not sure why I should bother. You're so busy stroking LJ's cock, you won't consider anything I have to say anyway.

Here's why I don't think LJ will have as much success against the Rai ders as Holmes. The Raiders are tough and big up the middle, with converted D-lineman as OLBs. The way to expose them will be to beat them to the edge. Something that Holmes does as well as any back in the league, and LJ has not shown a talent for at this point. I think the Raiders D will force us to bounce a lot of stuff to the sidelines.

LJ is a great RB, and probably could start for any other team in the league. But we have the best RB in the NFL in Holmes. You don't bench someone of his talent. The only knock anyone can find on Holmes is his durability. I agree. But until he actually gets hurt, there is no way he should lose his starting spot.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

I know...I was just saying I can't even fathom what being alive for 50 years is like, and you've been WATCHING FOOTBALL for that length of time.

Your brain must be crammed with game memories.

I remember high school games back in the mid '50's. But the single wing stuff is getting kind of rusty. When I played we ran the split T formation. (So did Oklahoma when they won 47 straight games). Have you ever heard of the sidesaddle T? It looked a lot like the wishbone but had nuances. I never did understand the double wing formation. I didn't see enough of it. Marv Levy's Wing T was pretty effective since the other pro coaches had never seen it. There were no wide receivers before about 1961. That evolved from an innovation called the "Lonesome End" created by Paul Dietzel at Army. He rarely went to the huddle. They flashed him hand signals. His name was Carpenter and as an Army Captain, he called in napalm on his own unit as they were being overrun by Vietcong. Dietzel then moved to LSU where he created the platoon system. He had three separate teams. The White team (defense) The Go team (offense) and the Chinese Bandits (special teams). The "I" formation showed up about '65 and survives to this day. Come and gone include the Wishbone and the Houston Veer. Everybody ran the Wishbone until a Nebraska DC solved it by "mirroring " it. It then disappeared quickly. I'm not sure when the "Pro Set" offense appeared but I'm guessing early '70's. and it survives. So yes, my head is full of football from 50 years of watching it. Yours will be too 40 years from now.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I remember high school games back in the mid '50's. But the single wing stuff is getting kind of rusty. When I played we ran the split T formation. (So did Oklahoma when they won 47 straight games). Have you ever heard of the sidesaddle T? It looked a lot like the wishbone but had nuances. I never did understand the double wing formation. I didn't see enough of it. Marv Levy's Wing T was pretty effective since the other pro coaches had never seen it. There were no wide receivers before about 1961. That evolved from an innovation called the "Lonesome End" created by Paul Dietzel at Army. He rarely went to the huddle. They flashed him hand signals. His name was Carpenter and as an Army Captain, he called in napalm on his own unit as they were being overrun by Vietcong. Dietzel then moved to LSU where he created the platoon system. He had three separate teams. The White team (defense) The Go team (offense) and the Chinese Bandits (special teams). The "I" formation showed up about '65 and survives to this day. Come and gone include the Wishbone and the Houston Veer. Everybody ran the Wishbone until a Nebraska DC solved it by "mirroring " it. It then disappeared quickly. I'm not sure when the "Pro Set" offense appeared but I'm guessing early '70's. and it survives. So yes, my head is full of football from 50 years of watching it. Yours will be too 40 years from now.

That's pretty amazing.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I'm not sure why I should bother. You're so busy stroking LJ's cock, you won't consider anything I have to say anyway.

Here's why I don't think LJ will have as much success against the Rai ders as Holmes. The Raiders are tough and big up the middle, with converted D-lineman as OLBs. The way to expose them will be to beat them to the edge. Something that Holmes does as well as any back in the league, and LJ has not shown a talent for at this point. I think the Raiders D will force us to bounce a lot of stuff to the sidelines.

LJ is a great RB, and probably could start for any other team in the league. But we have the best RB in the NFL in Holmes. You don't bench someone of his talent. The only knock anyone can find on Holmes is his durability. I agree. But until he actually gets hurt, there is no way he should lose his starting spot.

Yes, as you so elequently put it, since the day we drafted him I have been touting his ability. He has done absolutely nothing to prove me wrong.

On the other hand, there are a lot of chief fans whose objectivity is blinded by loyalty. It's evident on this board. I don't knock that because I am very loyal myself. However, too many refuse to give LJ the credit he deserves or do so begrudgingly. I'm tired of hearing how his success is due to everybody else but not his own ability. We've all heard it......Priest softened up the D, nobody touched him, etc.

I know exactly where some of you are coming from. Most of the time I have to go to the sports bar to watch the chiefs. When LJ started his first game last year I was talking to some chief fans and telling them they were going to love LJ. They were big Priest fans and wanted nothing to do with that LJ talk. Even last week when LJ was kicking ass they sat there like statues refusing to cheer whenever he had a great run.

Now I don't know about the rest of you but I'm out of my seat cheering no matter who's making a play.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by penchief

It's evident on this board. I don't knock that because I am very loyal myself. However, too many refuse to give LJ the credit he deserves or do so begrudgingly. I'm tired of hearing how his success is due to everybody else but not his own ability. We've all heard it......Priest softened up the D, nobody touched him, etc.

If that's why you were trying to argue with me earlier, then don't lump me in that group. I was talking about that one play as I saw it, nothing more, nothing less, and not making a general statement about either back.

I was not a fan of Johnson when we drafted him, mainly because I hate Penn State (I'm a Michigan fan...) and I was not impressed with the way he gained his yards in college. I've become a fan since, however. I've seen signs of the same vision and patience that Priest exemplifies, and he's more explosive. The one and only concern I have about Johnson now is that he still holds the ball only in his right hand.

Even so, I think it's clear that he has the tools to be our #1 running back, and that he will be some day. That day just isn't here yet.

And basically everything I said in this thread was said with an eye on fantasy football...

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Condolances for you and all your family about your mom, Skip.

Thank you, sir. It was tough on all of us.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I'm not sure why I should bother. You're so busy stroking LJ's cock, you won't consider anything I have to say anyway.

Here's why I don't think LJ will have as much success against the Rai ders as Holmes. The Raiders are tough and big up the middle, with converted D-lineman as OLBs. The way to expose them will be to beat them to the edge. Something that Holmes does as well as any back in the league, and LJ has not shown a talent for at this point. I think the Raiders D will force us to bounce a lot of stuff to the sidelines.

LJ is a great RB, and probably could start for any other team in the league. But we have the best RB in the NFL in Holmes. You don't bench someone of his talent. The only knock anyone can find on Holmes is his durability. I agree. But until he actually gets hurt, there is no way he should lose his starting spot.

I don't pay much attention to what you have to say because you don't know what you are talking about a lot of the time. LJ can beat Priest to the corner easily because he is much faster. One of the first times I saw LJ carry, the LB's were trying to adjust their angles but LJ ran right past them. I have avoided even talking to you on this board because you come off as such a prick. This is not just my idea but that of several of my friends here as well. I'm going back to ignoring you, just thought you would like to know why. I really don't care what you think.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I don't pay much attention to what you have to say because you don't know what you are talking about a lot of the time. LJ can beat Priest to the corner easily because he is much faster. One of the first times I saw LJ carry, the LB's were trying to adjust their angles but LJ ran right past them. I have avoided even talking to you on this board because you come off as such a prick. This is not just my idea but that of several of my friends here as well. I'm going back to ignoring you, just thought you would like to know why. I really don't care what you think.

Great post.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Great post.

Hey, maybe we can be friends

[HolmeZz]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

I know...I was just saying I can't even fathom what being alive for 50 years is like, and you've been WATCHING FOOTBALL for that length of time.

Your brain must be crammed with game memories.

n00b!

[Bob Dole]

Nope. Having the opportunity to tie Riggins' NFL record for consecutive games with 2 or more TDs doesn't indicate anything at all...

Moron.