Please don't jump off the bridge just yet... - Page 6

htismaqe · 07-28-2006, 09:39 AM

Look, I'm as distraught as the rest of you about Roaf's retirement, but somebody here has to provide some positive input, because I don't feel like rebooting the server every 30 minutes today.

I submit to all of you the Buffalo game.

It was a shining example of Saunders and Vermeil going away from LJ and the run and passing the ball despite heavy pressure from the Buffalo defense.

Larry finished that game with 27 rushes for 132 yards, a 4.9ypc average - without Willie Roaf.

In fact, in the games Willie missed, Larry rushed for about 4.7ypc. And LJ set the single-game rushing record against Houston without Willie Roaf.

Perhaps Herm's conservatism is precisely what we need right now? We can only hope.

Mecca · 07-28-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I think we can still average 20-25 ppg. I'm just not sure we can get back to being a dominant 30 ppg type offense like at the end of last year unless somebody really steps up. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as the defense continues to improve. But if that doesn't happen, we're up the creek.

I just have this really bad vision of Green dropping back, holding the ball longer than he should because he does do that alot......and getting his block knocked off.

I think the biggest problem with this is Green has become spoiled with the line we've had. He better work on his release and how quick be makes reads all through camp. Because if you watch him then watch almost any other QB in the league. From the snap to the back step on the drop to the release Trent Green is one of the slowest and may hold the ball the longest of anyone....

Chargeroo · 07-28-2006, 06:45 PM

The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders.

Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks.

The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!

bogie · 07-28-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargeroo

The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders.

Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks.

The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!

Sit back and watch, dick.

Mecca · 07-28-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargeroo

The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders.

Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks.

The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!

I'm sure everyone is scared of Phillip Rivers in his first year starting......not to mention the worst secondary in the entire NFL.

|Zach| · 07-28-2006, 06:56 PM

A Charger fan chiming it...who needs a line when you play the Chargers...there were some times where LJ was carrying that whole team on his back for 10 yards.

Talk about complete domination no the ground.

ROYC75 · 07-28-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargeroo

The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders.

Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks.

The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!

3rd ? Really ?

Oh, you meant the Chargers were going to be 3rd, right. This team, had Roaf been healthy was going to win the division and take our chances from there.

With Roaf out, Denver has to be the favorite, we will be right there. The Stuuuupid Chaaargers will falter this year behing a crying River not being able to handle NFL defenses. I'm not worried about Rivers, he has to learn first.

Mecca · 07-28-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

A Charger fan chiming it...who needs a line when you play the Chargers...there were some times where LJ was carrying that whole team on his back for 10 yards.

Talk about complete domination no the ground.

I'm sure he's going to respond "Shawne Merriman blah blah yadda yadda" He apparently is their entire defense.......

|Zach| · 07-28-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm sure he's going to respond "Shawne Merriman blah blah yadda yadda" He apparently is their entire defense.......

Lets set aside the times where Charger defenders were paying rent on LJ's back for all the time he was lugging them around.

That move on the 15 yard line on his way into the endzone in Arrowhead last year?

Amazing.

TRR · 07-28-2006, 07:05 PM

I'm not as concerned with Roaf's retirement as most people around here. Obviously KC just lost one of the best O Lineman in the game. However, if he doesn't have it in him to come back for another season, I don't want the guy playing. To be honest, I thought Roaf had a pretty sub-par year last season.

It's time for the young guys to step up. Jordan Black, Will Svitek, Kevin Sampson, whoever...We all knew Big Willie Roaf couldn't play forever.

Mecca · 07-28-2006, 07:07 PM

I just wish had made this decision earlier, drafting Eric Winston in the 2nd would have looked alot better than Bernard Pollard right now.

tk13 · 07-28-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

To be honest, I thought Roaf had a pretty sub-par year last season.

Are you sure you don't mean Shields? Will had kind of a slow start... but when Willie was in the lineup we were a totally dominant offense. The only two games where the Priest/LJ rotation actually worked were the two he started early in the year.

TRR · 07-28-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Are you sure you don't mean Shields? Will had kind of a slow start... but when Willie was in the lineup we were a totally dominant offense. The only two games where the Priest/LJ rotation actually worked were the two he started early in the year.

Both had sub-par years in my opinion. I don't think Roaf was that effective at getting out in open space as in years past. I thought both Roaf and Shields were pretty inconsistent in their play last season. You'd get the Roaf of old in one game, and the old Roaf in another.

The loss of Roaf is big, but definitely not as big as the loss of an LJ, Green, Gonzalez, Surtain, or Law would be.

htismaqe · 07-28-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I just wish had made this decision earlier, drafting Eric Winston in the 2nd would have looked alot better than Bernard Pollard right now.

I'd rather have Pollard at this point. Honestly.

htismaqe · 07-28-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

You can't run it 60 times a game. I mean, I agree, we should be one of the top running teams.

The catch to that is, we already were. We don't have to change a thing and we'll be one of the top teams in rushing attempts. Everybody acts like we were some high flying Mike Martz offense that abandoned the run.

I'm not advocating running it 60 times a game. I'm advocating running the ball at better times, like when the Buffalo d-line is teeing off on Green.

For everyone that's worried about Martyball - taking the ball out of LJ's hands and throwing pass after pass in the 3rd quarter after Larry turned out 100+ yards in the 1st half is the DEFINITION of Martyball.

htismaqe · 07-28-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

This whole marty ball thing is so blown out of proportion...

Trent Green - Elvis Grbac
Larry Johnson - Greg Hill

Tell me they can't execute better...

07-28-2006, 09:39 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8129900	Please don't jump off the bridge just yet... Look, I'm as distraught as the rest of you about Roaf's retirement, but somebody here has to provide some positive input, because I don't feel like rebooting the server every 30 minutes today. I submit to all of you the Buffalo game. It was a shining example of Saunders and Vermeil going away from LJ and the run and passing the ball despite heavy pressure from the Buffalo defense. Larry finished that game with 27 rushes for 132 yards, a 4.9ypc average - without Willie Roaf. In fact, in the games Willie missed, Larry rushed for about 4.7ypc. And LJ set the single-game rushing record against Houston without Willie Roaf. Perhaps Herm's conservatism is precisely what we need right now? We can only hope.
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Chargeroo Rookie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Salem, Or. Casino cash: $10004900	The happiest dudes in the USA right now are the DE's of the Chargers, Broncos, and raiders. Don't despair though, it could be that Willie just wants to miss out on those 2 a days. It won't be a big surprise if he "changes his mind" in about three weeks. The Chiefs were destined for a third place finish in the West this year anyway. Look on the bright side, now you could finish behind the raiders and get a really great draft pick!
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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3046768	A Charger fan chiming it...who needs a line when you play the Chargers...there were some times where LJ was carrying that whole team on his back for 10 yards. Talk about complete domination no the ground.
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TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9420185	I'm not as concerned with Roaf's retirement as most people around here. Obviously KC just lost one of the best O Lineman in the game. However, if he doesn't have it in him to come back for another season, I don't want the guy playing. To be honest, I thought Roaf had a pretty sub-par year last season. It's time for the young guys to step up. Jordan Black, Will Svitek, Kevin Sampson, whoever...We all knew Big Willie Roaf couldn't play forever.
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07-28-2006, 07:07 PM	#85
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-682950	I just wish had made this decision earlier, drafting Eric Winston in the 2nd would have looked alot better than Bernard Pollard right now.
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