Hindsight 20/20: Was it a mistake to bench Huard? - Page 6

Believer · 12-17-2006, 10:12 AM

I know. I know. Huard had a bad game at Miami. But in 2001 Brady came off a so-so game vs St.Louis as the Patriots fell to 5-5, but Belichick saw the whole picture, that the Patriots had turned around a 0-2 start by going 5-3 under Brady.

there are good arguments for either side, but i think, since Green has only really had one good game, and last week he stunk to high heaven, its a valid question. Would Huard have had 2 picks, a fumble, and a bunch of sacks?

He wasnt the passer Green is, but he managed the game better and helped the defense.

Just throwing it out there...

Mr. Laz · 12-17-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Believer

wow, this is how you talk football? start losing the debate so you start ripping peoples religious beliefs? Kind of shows your character.

Notice to all Chiefs fans: If you are a Christian be aware that Hummus and Laz will start ripping you if you share a football opinion.

who says i'm ripping anything

GOD told Herm to start Green .....

you don't believe?

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

hahahahaha

Every Chiefs fan gives Green a pass.

That's fine.

I'm glad you're all so loyal...

That being said...we can thank his inability to get rid of the football as part of the reason we won't be a playoff team once again!

Yep and the fact that Huard pissed down his pants in Miami...

The fact that Herm very rarely puts us in a position to win the game.

The fact that we run a cover 2 with no visable pass rush from the defensive line.

The face that our OL is patch work at best.

The fact that we have piss poor game management problems.

Should we continue? Trent hasnt been the Trent of the past this year, Yes this is true. Guess what? The Chiefs are still a middle of the pack football team and to say Trent is the only reason we arent going to the playoffs, is pretty weak... Get your Huard blinders off and look at the over all picture...

Mecca · 12-17-2006, 05:23 PM

Green's better than Huard but when the Oline isn't good it's a serious problem for Green.

I think anyone who watches the Chiefs knows if Green plays 16 games behind a bad line he's going to be one of the most sacked QB's because he does hold the ball forever. Pressure disrupts all QB's but it really ****s with Trent hard. If his feet aren't perfect he throws horrid passes that flutter and are inaccurate.....unless you have an all word line Trent Green is going to get sacked alot and throw alot if INT's that's just how it is.

Fairplay · 12-17-2006, 05:24 PM

I shall defend Field Marshall Huard to the end Mien Fuhrer!

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

to say Trent is the only reason we arent going to the playoffs, is pretty weak...

Read my post again, cock...I said he was part of the reason. PART.

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 05:26 PM

well Mecca gets it...don't know if that's a good thing or not...but at least we all know he isn't a Chiefs homer...which is 95% of the reason no one else gets it.

Mecca · 12-17-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

well Mecca gets it...don't know if that's a good thing or not...but at least we all know he isn't a Chiefs homer...which is 95% of the reason no one else gets it.

Anyone who watches alot of games can see that Green even in his very best years was holding the ball longer than just about every other QB. When the line is great you can get away with it.....he can't get away with it anymore but still does it anyway.

I honestly thought before this year started he'd get ear holed by a blindside rusher when holding the ball to long. Hasn't happened yet....

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

well Mecca gets it...don't know if that's a good thing or not...but at least we all know he isn't a Chiefs homer...which is 95% of the reason no one else gets it.

So if we are Chiefs homer's what does that make you? a Huard Homer?

BTW, I wasnt impressed with Trents preformance agianst Baltimore, just like I wasnt impressed with Huards preformance agianst Miami.

Also, After reading another thread you where talking in, referring to fat guys and wieners, pants down and screaming..

Please dont refer to me as cock, you are kind of scaring me and others on this board.

Thank,

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Anyone who watches alot of games can see that Green even in his very best years was holding the ball longer than just about every other QB. When the line is great you can get away with it.....he can't get away with it anymore but still does it anyway.

I honestly thought before this year started he'd get ear holed by a blindside rusher when holding the ball to long. Hasn't happened yet....

Very True, I was screaming at the TV last sunday. He was holding the ball way to long agianst one of the NFL's best defense.. Not smart, not smart at all....

It really doesnt matter anyway. We have Herm. Problem solved...

Believer · 12-17-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Green's better than Huard but when the Oline isn't good it's a serious problem for Green.

I think anyone who watches the Chiefs knows if Green plays 16 games behind a bad line he's going to be one of the most sacked QB's because he does hold the ball forever. Pressure disrupts all QB's but it really ****s with Trent hard. If his feet aren't perfect he throws horrid passes that flutter and are inaccurate.....unless you have an all word line Trent Green is going to get sacked alot and throw alot if INT's that's just how it is.

sounds a lot like the Bledsoe argument of 2001. If he only had the line.
But when the reality is you dont have the line, you have to assess whose tools give your team a better chance with that personnel. I think Huard gives the Chiefs a better chance with this offensive line because his game is based more on decision making and being able to use the short passing game.

**mlyonsd** · 12-17-2006, 05:32 PM

Both Green and Huard would be better if the play calling didn't suck.

To ignore that is missing the entire problem.

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Both Green and Huard would be better if the play calling didn't suck.

To ignore that is missing the entire problem.

some weeks I'm impressed with the playcalling, some weeks I'm not.

Mecca · 12-17-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Both Green and Huard would be better if the play calling didn't suck.

To ignore that is missing the entire problem.

Watch Trent Green tonight......general rule is the ball should be out of your hand within 5 seconds. With the Chiefs line 3-4 would be better watch how many times he holds onto it longer than that compared to other QB's.

Yes the playcalling sucks but Green seems to be completely unaware that he is no longer behind a great line.

milkman · 12-17-2006, 05:38 PM

The premise of the argument is that Trent holds the ball too long, and that he can't adjust to an offense that asks him to get rid of the ball quicker.

If you are right, that he can't adapt, then I would agree that making the switch was a mistake, given the O-Line issues.

However, I believe that Hermie and Solari changed the plan rather than sticking to what had worked with Huard, rather than asking Green to adapt to a simpler version of the offense.

To me the responsibility lies squarely on the coaching.

**mlyonsd** · 12-17-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Watch Trent Green tonight......general rule is the ball should be out of your hand within 5 seconds. With the Chiefs line 3-4 would be better watch how many times he holds onto it longer than that compared to other QB's.

Yes the playcalling sucks but Green seems to be completely unaware that he is no longer behind a great line.

If you admit the play calling sucks I don't understand how you can come down on Green. He's standing there for 5 seconds because his OC or that over rated HC of his is putting him in a no win situation. The OL would look better if the play calling wasn't so predictable.

Almost anybody can be a DC when the Chiefs start the game by running Johnson on the first two plays.

F'ing stupid. We used the pass to open up the running game for Holmes. Taking a top 5 offense and making them predictable is inexcusable.

12-17-2006, 10:12 AM
Believer Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Hindsight 20/20: Was it a mistake to bench Huard? I know. I know. Huard had a bad game at Miami. But in 2001 Brady came off a so-so game vs St.Louis as the Patriots fell to 5-5, but Belichick saw the whole picture, that the Patriots had turned around a 0-2 start by going 5-3 under Brady. there are good arguments for either side, but i think, since Green has only really had one good game, and last week he stunk to high heaven, its a valid question. Would Huard have had 2 picks, a fumble, and a bunch of sacks? He wasnt the passer Green is, but he managed the game better and helped the defense. Just throwing it out there...
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12-17-2006, 05:23 PM	#78
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-682950	Green's better than Huard but when the Oline isn't good it's a serious problem for Green. I think anyone who watches the Chiefs knows if Green plays 16 games behind a bad line he's going to be one of the most sacked QB's because he does hold the ball forever. Pressure disrupts all QB's but it really ****s with Trent hard. If his feet aren't perfect he throws horrid passes that flutter and are inaccurate.....unless you have an all word line Trent Green is going to get sacked alot and throw alot if INT's that's just how it is.
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mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $-2196238	Both Green and Huard would be better if the play calling didn't suck. To ignore that is missing the entire problem.
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12-17-2006, 05:38 PM	#89
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	The premise of the argument is that Trent holds the ball too long, and that he can't adjust to an offense that asks him to get rid of the ball quicker. If you are right, that he can't adapt, then I would agree that making the switch was a mistake, given the O-Line issues. However, I believe that Hermie and Solari changed the plan rather than sticking to what had worked with Huard, rather than asking Green to adapt to a simpler version of the offense. To me the responsibility lies squarely on the coaching. __________________
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