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Hammock Parties · 12-22-2006, 02:19 AM

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Law won’t break
Chiefs cornerback defends himself against the critics and says he still loves the game.
By ELIZABETH MERRILL
The Kansas City Star

The lights glared on his white tank top and rippling Popeye guns, the team Web site crashed, and Ty Law, internally, rolled his eyes. He never liked the term savior. But he mugged for the cameras in July, flashed his $30 million smile and brought late-summer hope to a town awash with playoff — make that Super Bowl — hopes.

“Sometimes,” Law said, “your reputation precedes you.”

Nearly the entire team had filed out of the Chiefs’ locker room Thursday afternoon for a trip to Oakland, but Law wanted to stay and talk. He knows Kansas City had such high hopes when he signed with the team in July. He knows by Sunday night, the Chiefs could be officially eliminated from the playoff race.

Fingers have pointed, and many of them have been aimed at the guy who was supposed to be the missing piece of the puzzle, the five-time Pro Bowl cornerback, the free agent Kansas City fans salivated over for two years.

Now they’re spitting mad. They call Law the “fall-down corner.” They wonder whether his 32-year-old legs have lost it. Law has no doubt it’s still there, because ultimately, he says, he doesn’t need this. He has all the money he wants. He has three Super Bowl rings.

But he loves football and yearns to hoist a trophy in another place besides New England. That’s what keeps him going, he says, through the cracks and the boos.

“I’ve been hired, I’ve been fired, I’ve been cursed at, I’ve been talked about,” Law said. “Hey, that’s all part of having a career. But to believe in yourself and to still have your peers’ respect … to have guys you play against tell you on the field, ‘Damn, you can still play, you can still run, you can still hit’ … That means more to me than anything.

“Because a lot of people who don’t put on a uniform don’t understand what’s going on between those lines or understand what my job might be at this particular time.”

Law had 10 interceptions with the Jets last season, and he did it with a bad foot. But in Kansas City, he’s defined by several slips. The most recent one happened two weeks ago against Baltimore, when Mark Clayton was as wide open as the Kansas countryside on an 87-yard touchdown catch.

Clayton got behind Law and safety Greg Wesley, and coach Herm Edwards later said the play resulted from miscommunication. Law admits there are a handful of plays from the 2006 season that he wishes he could have back, mostly missed tackles.

But he also insists he’d never leave a man that open and has never done it in his career.

Edwards wonders sometimes whether Law is pressing to make plays. This is Law’s third team in three years, three systems and different sets of expectations.

“It’s not the season he probably anticipated he’d have,” Edwards said. “But he’s done some things that you don’t see. Sometimes a guy’s playing really good because they’re not throwing balls his way and he’s doing a really good job.

“What happens with corners is your name is out there when you intercept passes. And he hasn’t had a lot of interceptions this year. He’s made some tackles, but then if anything bad happens. … You could play a whole game and be playing pretty good, but if you miss a tackle or get beat on a touchdown, that’s what people remember.”

Law has three interceptions — that’s what they remember — and the Chiefs have seen major defensive collapses at Cleveland and Pittsburgh. One tackle here, Law says, and maybe things would be different.

He blames some of the defensive struggles on the newness of playing together. Rookie Tamba Hali is new, and so are safeties Jarrad Page, Bernard Pollard and interior linemen Ron Edwards and James Reed.

Law calls it a journey and compares this team to some of the greener groups he played with in New England before the Super Bowls. He hopes he’ll be part of the ride. The fans were so giddy about acquiring him last summer that the Chiefs’ Web site had more than 50,000 hits at once and crashed the day the deal was struck.

That’s what a reputation can do.

“I don’t see any reason why I shouldn’t be here,” he said. “I didn’t play to where I messed up the season or something like that. I don’t think it’s even a question, but in this game, this business, you never know what’s going to happen.

“I had an opportunity to go back to New England before I signed here. People don’t know that. I chose to come here for a reason. If it didn’t work out, hypothetically, I’ve had a good time here. To play in front of these fans here is incredible, even when they’re booing. It’s a crazy place to play in, man, and I like it.”

**HemiEd** · 12-22-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, if you want to go top 6, CP is about 50-50. DT was number 4 overall, Ryan Sims number 6. I think we can all agree that Sims was equally as bad a pick as DT was a good one.

Not good odd, IMSHO.

No question, very small sample size though of 2 a long time apart. Only one of those drafts did the Chiefs get to pick all the way through the draft that high.

I would offer San Diego as an example, a lot of talent from strong drafts in an early position.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-22-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

No question, very small sample size though of 2 a long time apart. Only one of those drafts did the Chiefs get to pick all the way through the draft that high.

I would offer San Diego as an example, a lot of talent from strong drafts in an early position.

I'm with ya, I just used that as an example. But keep in mind that San Diego hadn't done nearly as well in the draft before the hiring of A.J. Smith. The trades and talent evaluation have pretty much been second to none, even the Ravens since he's taken over.

It seems that very, very few people can truly evaluate college players consistently and accurately. And I think that we can all agree that CP isn't in that category.

**HemiEd** · 12-22-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm with ya, I just used that as an example. But keep in mind that San Diego hadn't done nearly as well in the draft before the hiring of A.J. Smith. The trades and talent evaluation have pretty much been second to none, even the Ravens since he's taken over.

It seems that very, very few people can truly evaluate college players consistently and accurately. And I think that we can all agree that CP isn't in that category.

Many people on here, that know more than I about the draft, say it is still a crap shoot. However, I think your odds of success sure improve with draft position. I am sure somewhere must be a statistic that shows it.
That being said, Carl has crapped out a lot on some of his reaches. I personaly am gun shy of him ever drafting another DT.

htismaqe · 12-22-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Not at all, my point is the same as I make to Bears fans up here. When you continually pick in the top 5, you should have a pretty darn good selection of talent to work with. Better than a team like the Chiefs that is always picking 15-22. I would hate to suffer through the seasons, but I would love to see Carl have an opportunity to pick in the top 5 two years in a row.

You SHOULD have talent. High draft picks don't always translate into talent. See Ryan Sims. Not only that, but high draft picks are almost always more raw potential than game-ready talent.

The point remains:

The Chiefs are a more talented team, top to bottom than the Titans. The difference is coaching.

htismaqe · 12-22-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Where was I inaccurate? I said "Name me a player that's made an impact elsewhere" in an effort to show the poor draft record. Not that I didn't know about Edwards, Horn, Tait. Duh.

You missed Joe Horn.

He pointed it out.

You jumped all over him for "defending Carl".

Get over it, you f-ed up.

**Baby Lee** · 12-22-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You missed Joe Horn.

He pointed it out.

You jumped all over him for "defending Carl".

Get over it, you f-ed up.

Actually, he jumped all over me for defending Carl after;

He stated "[we] have had exactly TWO players leave in the last 10 years that actually made an impact on their new teams."

then I listed some other people who left and made an impact on other teams

then he started in the with "x wasn't drafted, y wasn't a pro-bowler, z likes kiddie porn."

So I replied "whatever"

**Baby Lee** · 12-22-2006, 01:35 PM

Also, I think people are forgetting that some of our non-existant/poor draft picks were actually our little way of 'drafting' DV, Trent, Roaf, Herm, etc.

**HemiEd** · 12-22-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Also, I think people are forgetting that some of our non-existant/poor draft picks were actually our little way of 'drafting' DV, Trent, Roaf, Herm, etc.

Excellent point, I think the Chiefs gave a 3rd for Welbourn right?

Chiefs Pantalones · 12-22-2006, 01:55 PM

Will Law be back next year?

Zouk · 12-22-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

Yep..Coleman and Rhodes..but..I can assure you..had he come back..Mawae and Abraham would be back too,and B.Thomas would be rotting on the bench..he would have never started Mangold as a rookie center or Dbrick as a LT..

I still think he should have kept Lamont Jordan instead of Curtis Martin...

Sorry Mr. ismaqe,I had to reply to this one..

And the Jets would be a better team with John Abraham and Kevin Mawae right now.

**2112** · 12-22-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

And the Jets would be a better team with John Abraham and Kevin Mawae right now.

Are you crazy??

How??
He's always hurt..ALWAYS
Abraham has only played in 3 games this year..and he has a broken hand now..BTW..Abraham is a useless piece of shit that missed 3 playoff games..1 with a tummy ache,and the other 2 because he wanted his big pay day the following year and didn't want to ''hurt himself''..and Mangold is better than Mawae right now..

Zouk · 12-22-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

Are you crazy??

How??
He's always hurt..ALWAYS
Abraham has only played in 3 games this year..and he has a broken hand now..BTW..Abraham is a useless piece of shit that missed 3 playoff games..1 with a tummy ache,and the other 2 because he wanted his big pay day the following year and didn't want to ''hurt himself''..and Mangold is better than Mawae right now..

MAngold has played well, but I don't believe he's better than Mawae. If Herm was the coach this year, Mangold would probably start at guard and the top 5 pick Ferguson would obviously start at tackle.

John Abraham is always hurt - it's true. But getting 12 games a year (which I know he has not given this year) is still plenty from him. He single handedly won a lot of games for the Jets over the years with 4th quarter strip sacks. Bryan Thomas is most definitely not that level of player.

Don't kid yourself too much about the Jets. Mangini and Schottenheimer have done a nice job, but they're where they are because of their schedule. They started out the year playing a team (the Titans) who were starting a QB who arrived in town less than a week earlier (Kerry Collins). They got to play the Browns, Texans, Raiders, Packers, Vikings, and Lions. Their Patriot win was good, but remember, the Lions also almost won in Foxboro during the period the Jets won that game.

FloridaMan88 · 12-22-2006, 02:24 PM

I think the real problem with Ty Law in KC is that he has worn the same # that you know who wore...

**2112** · 12-22-2006, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk

MAngold has played well, but I don't believe he's better than Mawae. If Herm was the coach this year, Mangold would probably start at guard and the top 5 pick Ferguson would obviously start at tackle.

Wrong..because if the Jets keep Abraham..there is no number 1 pick to chose Mangold with

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk

John Abraham is always hurt - it's true. But getting 12 games a year (which I know he has not given this year) is still plenty from him. He single handedly won a lot of games for the Jets over the years with 4th quarter strip sacks. Bryan Thomas is most definitely not that level of player.

Playing a team scheme defense has more than made up for the loss of Abraham..and Bryan Thomas is an important part of that puzzle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk

Don't kid yourself too much about the Jets. Mangini and Schottenheimer have done a nice job, but they're where they are because of their schedule. They started out the year playing a team (the Titans) who were starting a QB who arrived in town less than a week earlier (Kerry Collins). They got to play the Browns, Texans, Raiders, Packers, Vikings, and Lions. Their Patriot win was good, but remember, the Lions also almost won in Foxboro during the period the Jets won that game.

Please..there are alot of teams that have had easy schedules just like the Jets..but have not won their fair share of games..the coaching difference is night and day..do you know that the Jets get to the line of scrimmage on EVERY PLAY with at least 17 seconds on the play clock..even without the no huddle they employ..in the past,they would mope on up to the line of scrimmage taking their time(even when they were behind late in games) and wait until 1 second was left on the play clock and often waste a time out(sound familiar?)..there is a sense of urgency now.

Pennington sucks..he can not stretch the field..the Jets are a perfect example of a conservative offense that is unpredictable..and it has been working.

Oh..one more thing..this is the strength of schedule as of today..

SOS for the AFC East

Buffalo------- .556
Miami-------- .515
NYJ--------- .510
NE---------- .505

Halfcan · 12-22-2006, 03:41 PM

Ty has done his best to look like Dexter this year-hopefully we will cut are losses and we will never have to hear his name again. Go count your money d#ckhead.

12-22-2006, 02:19 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $800478	KC Star - Law won't break http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/16295180.htm Law won’t break Chiefs cornerback defends himself against the critics and says he still loves the game. By ELIZABETH MERRILL The Kansas City Star The lights glared on his white tank top and rippling Popeye guns, the team Web site crashed, and Ty Law, internally, rolled his eyes. He never liked the term savior. But he mugged for the cameras in July, flashed his $30 million smile and brought late-summer hope to a town awash with playoff — make that Super Bowl — hopes. “Sometimes,” Law said, “your reputation precedes you.” Nearly the entire team had filed out of the Chiefs’ locker room Thursday afternoon for a trip to Oakland, but Law wanted to stay and talk. He knows Kansas City had such high hopes when he signed with the team in July. He knows by Sunday night, the Chiefs could be officially eliminated from the playoff race. Fingers have pointed, and many of them have been aimed at the guy who was supposed to be the missing piece of the puzzle, the five-time Pro Bowl cornerback, the free agent Kansas City fans salivated over for two years. Now they’re spitting mad. They call Law the “fall-down corner.” They wonder whether his 32-year-old legs have lost it. Law has no doubt it’s still there, because ultimately, he says, he doesn’t need this. He has all the money he wants. He has three Super Bowl rings. But he loves football and yearns to hoist a trophy in another place besides New England. That’s what keeps him going, he says, through the cracks and the boos. “I’ve been hired, I’ve been fired, I’ve been cursed at, I’ve been talked about,” Law said. “Hey, that’s all part of having a career. But to believe in yourself and to still have your peers’ respect … to have guys you play against tell you on the field, ‘Damn, you can still play, you can still run, you can still hit’ … That means more to me than anything. “Because a lot of people who don’t put on a uniform don’t understand what’s going on between those lines or understand what my job might be at this particular time.” Law had 10 interceptions with the Jets last season, and he did it with a bad foot. But in Kansas City, he’s defined by several slips. The most recent one happened two weeks ago against Baltimore, when Mark Clayton was as wide open as the Kansas countryside on an 87-yard touchdown catch. Clayton got behind Law and safety Greg Wesley, and coach Herm Edwards later said the play resulted from miscommunication. Law admits there are a handful of plays from the 2006 season that he wishes he could have back, mostly missed tackles. But he also insists he’d never leave a man that open and has never done it in his career. Edwards wonders sometimes whether Law is pressing to make plays. This is Law’s third team in three years, three systems and different sets of expectations. “It’s not the season he probably anticipated he’d have,” Edwards said. “But he’s done some things that you don’t see. Sometimes a guy’s playing really good because they’re not throwing balls his way and he’s doing a really good job. “What happens with corners is your name is out there when you intercept passes. And he hasn’t had a lot of interceptions this year. He’s made some tackles, but then if anything bad happens. … You could play a whole game and be playing pretty good, but if you miss a tackle or get beat on a touchdown, that’s what people remember.” Law has three interceptions — that’s what they remember — and the Chiefs have seen major defensive collapses at Cleveland and Pittsburgh. One tackle here, Law says, and maybe things would be different. He blames some of the defensive struggles on the newness of playing together. Rookie Tamba Hali is new, and so are safeties Jarrad Page, Bernard Pollard and interior linemen Ron Edwards and James Reed. Law calls it a journey and compares this team to some of the greener groups he played with in New England before the Super Bowls. He hopes he’ll be part of the ride. The fans were so giddy about acquiring him last summer that the Chiefs’ Web site had more than 50,000 hits at once and crashed the day the deal was struck. That’s what a reputation can do. “I don’t see any reason why I shouldn’t be here,” he said. “I didn’t play to where I messed up the season or something like that. I don’t think it’s even a question, but in this game, this business, you never know what’s going to happen. “I had an opportunity to go back to New England before I signed here. People don’t know that. I chose to come here for a reason. If it didn’t work out, hypothetically, I’ve had a good time here. To play in front of these fans here is incredible, even when they’re booing. It’s a crazy place to play in, man, and I like it.”
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