Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds.

[BIG_DADDY]

I got to pat myself on the back, some of you said I was crazy. WTF is going on out there in Kansas and Missouri? The mass majority of the country is throwing out BSL but you guys are catering to PETA and HSUS like nobody else by far. Fast track to the slaughter of man's best friend.

Sec. 6-25. Dangerous dogs.
(a) As used in this section, “dangerous dog” shall mean and include any of the following:
(1) Any dog, whether purebred or mix, which is more than ninety (90) days
old, and has the appearance and characteristics of any one or more of the
following breed(s):
i. American Pit Bull Terrier
ii. American Staffordshire Terrier
iii. Bull Terrier
iv. Staffordshire Bull Terrier
v. Argentine Dogo
vi. Cane Corso
vii. Dogue de Bordeaux
viii. Dogo Cubano
ix. Dogo Sardesco
x. Fila Brasileiro
xi. Perro de Presa Canario
xii. Wolf hybrids
(2) Any dog which has attacked a human being or domestic animal without
provocation; or
(3) Any dog, while at-large, that, without provocation, exhibits aggression or
combativeness toward a person or another domestic animal in an apparent
attack, whether or not said person or animal is actually attacked, bitten, or
otherwise physically injured; or
(4) Any dog kept or harbored primarily, or in part, for the purpose of dog
fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or
(5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used
primarily to guard public or private property; or
(6) Any dog which is known to his keeper or harborer, or reasonably should
be known to his keeper or harborer, to have a propensity, tendency or
disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury or to otherwise endanger
the safety of human beings or domestic animals. It is hereby declared to

[MOhillbilly]

BD my bad i was thinking about these.

http://www.thebreedsofdogs.com/EAST_...N_SHEPHERD.htm






i honestly havent heard of them others.

[MOhillbilly]

i would suspect if any dog bit you child or someone elses you mind would change.
that being said, all dogs and all owners are not created equal.
i have a pitbull and id trust her w/ anyone. wouldnt think twice.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by wutamess

I really don't want to ask this ? but curious as to what your response would be. But let's say that something happened to child while your pit was sleeping with it.

Would you change your stance or how would you bring some sense to the situation?

It really didn't feel good typing it out (and carefully choosing words) but like I said... I want to know your answer.

All I have to go on is history when trying to make sense of a situation. Would I feel horrible, absolutely. Likewise I would feel horrible if anything happened to them for any reason. I should know my dog and know the situation. My dog has been exposed to young children since being a pup. He has never given me any reason to question him. On that note I have many friends with kids and game pit bulls and none of them has ever had an issue. Unfortunatley life comes with some inherent risk whether you are driving down the street, getting on a plane or boarding a ride at the amusement park. I've known many people killed in cars, I don't know one that has had an issue with their pit and kid.

For the record a friend of mine's wife walked their 4 year old through a yard with approximatey 30 fighting dogs on it. She just kept saying "these dogs are really nice" That's the exposure she needed to have in order to feel good about brininging in a pit into their house with a young child. Same guy that now has his 6 year old sleeping with that dog. This is very game Mayday stock. That dog is as tollerant as you will ever see any dog be of young children. She is the one that had her 6th birthday and all her friends over when we had both dogs out and about. NOt one parent questioned anything an it was a pretty good sized group.

Some of the posts I see here really amaze me. Yours being one of them because it seems you have had some exposure. Exposure in my experience to real pits with good owners has eliminated fear on a consistant basis.

I gotta go train, I'll be back later.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Some of the posts I see here really amaze me. Yours being one of them because it seems you have had some exposure. Exposure in my experience to real pits with good owners has eliminated fear on a consistant basis.

I gotta go train, I'll be back later.

I have exposure, but I also am exposed to the trends, media, & facts.
Not saying that the majority of them aren't good.

Here's an analogy. My mother asked me why I wouldn't stop at a store on 31st & Prospect while in my car but I'd do it where I live (In Raytown) suburb of K.C.

Prospect is the worst street in K.C. With thugs, bystanders, & loiterers on every corner. I'm not saying that something would happen to me if I took my car there but I dislike the probabilities of something more apt to happen on Prospect than at a store stop in Raytown.

Same with Pits. Something is more apt to happen then with other types of dogs. Chihahua bite I & the kiddies can handle, but Pit attack is too brutal for the kids to endure. Why chance it?

In your case... you feel comfortable and I hope & pray that everything turns out as you'd expect. In reality, unless I owned one myself, I'd be scared shitless for my kids.

To each his own I guess.

I raised my oldest around our Min. Schnauzer (if that makes me a soldier). Had to get rid of him because he had A.D.D and more of a headache than a joy. Gave him away for free (paid $1k for him) to family that had a disabled child. So I'm not against dogs & kids it's just those prone to attack that can mortally wound a child) and have a history of it.

Also, I was raised with my white German Sheppard (Cocaine was her name). I'd raise my kids around one of those before a pit and would trust it also. My grandparents had a Boxer (Sapphire) we were ALL brought up with.

It's just something about those Pits.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by wutamess

I raised my youngest around our Min. Schnauzer (if that makes me a soldier). Had to get rid of him because he had A.D.D and more of a headache than a joy. .

you got rid of your youngest child cause it had ADD?

thats horrid you bastard!

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

you got rid of your youngest child cause it had ADD?

thats horrid you bastard!

Actually I meant my oldest.

I wish I could get rid of my youngest because he has A.D.D. too it seems like (Just like his daddy). I'm afraid I can't pay anyone to take him off my hands.

[jynni]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

i would suspect if any dog bit you child or someone elses you mind would change.
that being said, all dogs and all owners are not created equal.
i have a pitbull and id trust her w/ anyone. wouldnt think twice.

I was bit by the family dog (an un-altered Dalmatian) when I was in the sixth grade. Took a nice sized chunk out of my nose that required plastic surgery to fix.

This dog had slept on my bed for years without any incident. I went down one night to get ready for bed and went to kiss the dog on the head. I'm not sure what happened next (I'm guessing I startled him out of a dream or something) but next thing I knew, he had bitten me.

Rather than get rid of the dog, (although I think my dad kicked it down the back stairs) it was instead banished to the backyard and garage for a few months. He also got fixed. At some point I felt sorry for him so I let him back in the house and he resumed sleeping on my bed.

There were no other incidents of him ever biting anyone again.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Actually I meant my oldest.

I wish I could get rid of my youngest because he has A.D.D. too it seems like (Just like his daddy). I'm afraid I can't pay anyone to take him off my hands.

have you thought about gypsys?

my mother and father used to threaten to give me away to the first band of gypsys that came along.

kinda scary when we went to europe.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

have you thought about gypsys?

my mother and father used to threaten to give me away to the first band of gypsys that came along.

kinda scary when we went to europe.

He's heading to terrible 2's so he has no clue what any of that means.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by wutamess

I have exposure, but I also am exposed to the trends, media, & facts.
Not saying that the majority of them aren't good.

Here's an analogy. My mother asked me why I wouldn't stop at a store on 31st & Prospect while in my car but I'd do it where I live (In Raytown) suburb of K.C.

Prospect is the worst street in K.C. With thugs, bystanders, & loiterers on every corner. I'm not saying that something would happen to me if I took my car there but I dislike the probabilities of something more apt to happen on Prospect than at a store stop in Raytown.

Same with Pits. Something is more apt to happen then with other types of dogs. Chihahua bite I & the kiddies can handle, but Pit attack is too brutal for the kids to endure. Why chance it?

In your case... you feel comfortable and I hope & pray that everything turns out as you'd expect. In reality, unless I owned one myself, I'd be scared shitless for my kids.

To each his own I guess.

I raised my oldest around our Min. Schnauzer (if that makes me a soldier). Had to get rid of him because he had A.D.D and more of a headache than a joy. Gave him away for free (paid $1k for him) to family that had a disabled child. So I'm not against dogs & kids it's just those prone to attack that can mortally wound a child) and have a history of it.

Also, I was raised with my white German Sheppard (Cocaine was her name). I'd raise my kids around one of those before a pit and would trust it also. My grandparents had a Boxer (Sapphire) we were ALL brought up with.

It's just something about those Pits.

Well this is the american temperment test society which has done a ton of tesing wit different breeds. These are their results based upon your dogs vs and American Pitbull Terrier. The numbers listed are Tested'passed, failed, percentage pass.
http://www.atts.org/statistics.html

AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 542 456 86 84.1%
MINIATURE SCHNAUZER 103 81 22 78.6%
GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG 2,833 2,361 472 83.3%
BOXER 368 311 57 84.5%

And two breeds everyone thinks is safer than safe
LABRADOR RETRIEVER 686 628 58 91.5%
STANDARD POODLE 217 186 31 85.7%


Only 7% higher

Here are some of your bad scores for some dogs many wouldn't think twice about getting with a child.

BEARDED COLLIE 45 24 21 53.3%
DACHSHUND (STANDARD SMOOTH) 42 28 14 66.7%
STANDARD SCHNAUZER 56 37 19 66.1%

Bottom line is you should know your dog and the situation your putting it in. If you do there isn't going to be problem.

[Logical]

I would have to say that 2. 3 and 6 are unenforceable due to vague language.

I don't see how 5 is legal at all.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Logical

I would have to say that 2. 3 and 6 are unenforceable due to vague language.

I don't see how 5 is legal at all.

I agree.

#5 falls firmly in the same category as gun laws.

It's gonna be illegal to make any attempt to protect yourself from the GOVERNMENT.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I agree.

#5 falls firmly in the same category as gun laws.

It's gonna be illegal to make any attempt to protect yourself from the GOVERNMENT.

Hell it's not even legal for ex-felons to own a bullet proof vest. Hell of a price to pay for having tha bag of weed back in college.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

My buddy that fights them had his dog Hellboy out

If your buddy fights dogs, might i suggest he be the first to be put down.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by scott free

If your buddy fights dogs, might i suggest he be the first to be put down.

Go ahead and put him down, if you can.