Time to trade Jared Allen...

[booger]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

I'm not saying anything bad about Hali. I love Hali.

But let's not overreact and create a mob scene to trade Jared because he's doing the whole agent/contract thing.

How about lets not forget about the whole DUI/suspension thing when the thought of trading him for 1st day picks is concerned. I love the way he plays and believe his attitude in the lockeroom is good for team chemistry minus the DUI's. It's going to be hard to give him the contract he wants being only 1 mess up away from a year suspension. Plus his Agent is an unknown guy who is going to try to make a name for himself with this contract. That doesn't bode well for us either.

When the Allen wants traded article first came out in the star a month or so ago, Petersons response was not wanting to trade him and he was asking for too much money.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

I'm not saying anything bad about Hali. I love Hali.

But let's not overreact and create a mob scene to trade Jared because he's doing the whole agent/contract thing.

For me, it's really not about Allen. It's about accumulating draft picks in an effort to overhaul this team.

Allen represents our best bet to get multiple first day picks for a guy that is a potential problem to the team.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

We talk about the guy like he's Shawne Merriman.

He's not. He's had 9, 11 and 7.5 sacks. Hate to break it to both Jared and the folks in KC, but that's really nothing special. His average production amounts to what would be an off year for a good pass rusher. His production dictates that he's, so far, nothing more than a mediocre player who happens to be a fan favorite on a defense that's been historically bad for years. And now he's having repeat legal troubles and playing the vocal and disgruntled stuff in the media.

If I'm the gm, I shop him. He doesn't deserve a big contract at this point. If Allen homers want to say he's earned it on the field (which I don't believe - he's earned a mid-level contract), I'd counter by saying he lost that right by his behavior off of it. He's got to prove he can stay clean and be a team player, as well as perform like a guy who moves mountains, before I make that kind of investment. It just wouldn't be a smart move in my book. Let some other team take that risk and deal with his bullshit.

To be fair, Merriman has a lot more talent around him than Allen does. With a superior supporting cast Allen might legitmately be considered one of the best DEs.

Personally, I hope Allen stays but I would consider a trade if the compensation were enough.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by el borracho

To be fair, Merriman has a lot more talent around him than Allen does. With a superior supporting cast Allen might legitmately be considered one of the best DEs.

I agree. Give him a year with a solid DT and see what his numbers are. It's not like he's earning those stats people are posting with all-world tackles playing next to him.

And the Atlanta trade stuff is brought up more on KC boards than it seems to be talked about on Falcons' boards. Do they seriously have an interest in giving up some high picks for him?

[shaneo69]

Originally Posted by BigRock

And the Atlanta trade stuff is brought up more on KC boards than it seems to be talked about on Falcons' boards. Do they seriously have an interest in giving up some high picks for him?

Probably because Nick Athan brought up Atlanta as a possible trade partner for Allen, which htismaqe then referenced in a previous thread from early March.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=159564

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by shaneo69

Probably because Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan brought up Atlanta as a possible trade partner for Allen, which htismaqe then referenced in a previous thread from early March.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=159564

The info originally came from Mitch Holthus, not Athan.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

We talk about the guy like he's Shawne Merriman.

He's not. He's had 9, 11 and 7.5 sacks. Hate to break it to both Jared and the folks in KC, but that's really nothing special. His average production amounts to what would be an off year for a good pass rusher. His production dictates that he's, so far, nothing more than a mediocre player who happens to be a fan favorite on a defense that's been historically bad for years. And now he's having repeat legal troubles and playing the vocal and disgruntled stuff in the media.

If I'm the gm, I shop him. He doesn't deserve a big contract at this point. If Allen homers want to say he's earned it on the field (which I don't believe - he's earned a mid-level contract), I'd counter by saying he lost that right by his behavior off of it. He's got to prove he can stay clean and be a team player, as well as perform like a guy who moves mountains, before I make that kind of investment. It just wouldn't be a smart move in my book. Let some other team take that risk and deal with his bullshit.

While I don't really disagree with you, what you have pointed out is that he does not really have much trade value.

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

We talk about the guy like he's Shawne Merriman.

He's not. He's had 9, 11 and 7.5 sacks. Hate to break it to both Jared and the folks in KC, but that's really nothing special. His average production amounts to what would be an off year for a good pass rusher. His production dictates that he's, so far, nothing more than a mediocre player who happens to be a fan favorite on a defense that's been historically bad for years. And now he's having repeat legal troubles and playing the vocal and disgruntled stuff in the media.

If I'm the gm, I shop him. He doesn't deserve a big contract at this point. If Allen homers want to say he's earned it on the field (which I don't believe - he's earned a mid-level contract), I'd counter by saying he lost that right by his behavior off of it. He's got to prove he can stay clean and be a team player, as well as perform like a guy who moves mountains, before I make that kind of investment. It just wouldn't be a smart move in my book. Let some other team take that risk and deal with his bullshit.

Sacks aren't everything. He got consistent pressure, and he was also tops among d-linemen in tackles and tackles for loss.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

Sacks aren't everything. He got consistent pressure, and he was also tops among d-linemen in tackles and tackles for loss.

Actually that is correct, We need to trade him based on his potential and future potential...

Unlike Carl and Chiefs Fans, Most teams look at future growth and preformance, we on the other hand, cry about the "proven stats" and usually overpay for guys past their prime...

Time is now to trade Allen.

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Actually that is correct, We need to trade him based on his potential and future potential...

Unlike Carl and Chiefs Fans, Most teams look at future growth and preformance, we on the other hand, cry about the "proven stats" and usually overpay for guys past their prime...

Time is now to trade Allen.

The only reasonable trade for Allen would involve a first round draft pick. The guy is too young and too good to give up for anything else. We aren't likely to get any better by giving up a guy that could be a franchise player for the next 5+ years for a couple picks that have a <50% chance of doing that. Given our drafting track record, <50% is generous.

Carl needs to convince Allen to hire a new agent, and then go hot and heavy on renegotiations with him.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Actually that is correct, We need to trade him based on his potential and future potential...

Unlike Carl and Chiefs Fans, Most teams look at future growth and preformance, we on the other hand, cry about the "proven stats" and usually overpay for guys past their prime...

Time is now to trade Allen.

Allen is past his prime?? He's coming off a second day rookie contract. This is the exact type of player that good teams keep - a player that is still young, is still improving and is proven in the system.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Allen is past his prime?? He's coming off a second day rookie contract. This is the exact type of player that good teams keep - a player that is still young, is still improving and is proven in the system.

Yes Allen is in his prime, I think you misread it... I am for one signing him or trading him to get the most picks out of him.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Allen is past his prime?? He's coming off a second day rookie contract. This is the exact type of player that good teams keep - a player that is still young, is still improving and is proven in the system.

Exactly, if we get rid of Allen we are making a big mistake! He said on his interview with Carlota69 that he had not had a drink in 5 or 6 months. I wish we had 20 more like him.

[JohnnyV13]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

We talk about the guy like he's Shawne Merriman.

He's not. He's had 9, 11 and 7.5 sacks. Hate to break it to both Jared and the folks in KC, but that's really nothing special. His average production amounts to what would be an off year for a good pass rusher. His production dictates that he's, so far, nothing more than a mediocre player who happens to be a fan favorite on a defense that's been historically bad for years. And now he's having repeat legal troubles and playing the vocal and disgruntled stuff in the media.

If I'm the gm, I shop him. He doesn't deserve a big contract at this point. If Allen homers want to say he's earned it on the field (which I don't believe - he's earned a mid-level contract), I'd counter by saying he lost that right by his behavior off of it. He's got to prove he can stay clean and be a team player, as well as perform like a guy who moves mountains, before I make that kind of investment. It just wouldn't be a smart move in my book. Let some other team take that risk and deal with his bullshit.

Keg, he's a little better than you're making him out. Allen had 7 forced fumbles in 05 and 3 in 06. He was also 2nd in the NFL in tackles behind the line of scrimmage.

You're right, he isn't shawnee merriman. But he's better than mediocre. He's definately a good NFL starter.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

I wonder why LJ has not taken this tactic. They abused him last season. It could be seen as a sign he doesn't care. There could be a bad side to that.

Allen is showing his balls. & some of his ass as well