Chiefs Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time - Page 6

Halfcan · 12-17-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Vermiel was 14-18 his first 2 years
Herm will like be 13-19 his first 2 years

There is only ONE man on the Chiefs offensive line that would start for ANY other team in the NFL: Brian Waters.

Herm was left with a perennial #32 ranked defense and an aging offense that saw TWO HOF lineman retire in two consecutive years.

Herm has begun to stock the roster with talented *football players*, most of which have been solid. With ten picks in the 2008 draft and plenty of serviceable players available via free-agency, this team should compete for a playoff spot in 2008.

Herm should be given at least three years to overhaul the roster.

Then, it's on him to produce. If he doesn't, fire him.

Bob Gretz is that You?? Where are these talented players you speak of-oh yeah

Tank N Turk the Ultimate QB destroyers!!!!

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Bob Gretz is that You?? Where are these talented players you speak of-oh yeah

Tank N Turk the Ultimate QB destroyers!!!!

Come on, Dude.

Hali
Pollard
Page
Smith
Croyle
Bowe

All of those guys are solid football players that will be in the league for years to come. They all may not be superstars, but great football teams have a solid core of good football teams a maybe one or two superstar players.

This team NEEDS good, solid football players. And they're finally starting to stockpile a few.

Halfcan · 12-17-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Come on, Dude.

Hali
Pollard
Page
Smith
Croyle
Bowe

All of those guys are solid football players that will be in the league for years to come. They all may not be superstars, but great football teams have a solid core of good football teams a maybe one or two superstar players.

This team NEEDS good, solid football players. And they're finally starting to stockpile a few.

Out of how many picks? I really like Hali-could be an All pro-so I will give him that one. Bowe was a HUGE surprise as well.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Out of how many picks? I really like Hali-could be an All pro-so I will give him that one. Bowe was a HUGE surprise as well.

Why were Hali and Bowe "HUGE" surprises? Because Chiefs fans were so used to poor drafting in the previous 5 years under DV?

NFL teams expect their first round picks to contribute immediately, the second rounders by year two, third rounders by year three and second day players to provide depth down the road.

The Chiefs seem to have done well with their first round picks the past two years and have hit on some second day picks (Page & Smith, for example). Jeff Webb *may* be a solid contributor (not a superstar), and free agent Rudy Niswanger *may* be a solid right guard (if he can stay healthy).

Throw in Croyle and Page and I'd say the Chiefs have had pretty successful drafts the past two years. And it's likely that all of the players chosen will continue to improve.

**HemiEd** · 12-17-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Bob Gretz is that You?? Where are these talented players you speak of-oh yeah

Tank N Turk the Ultimate QB destroyers!!!!

Herm is a draft Genius!

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 04:07 PM

I'm on the fence on this issue. What coach would have had this collection of inept talent further along at this point? We know Carl has meddled with the situation and delayed a true "rebuild," which is what Herm wanted from the start.

I don't think Herm is taking us anywhere, but he deserves the chance to build his own team. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give him as much rope to hang himself with as possible. If we're this bad in 2009, pull the plug.

dallaschiefsfan · 12-17-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I don't think Herm is taking us anywhere, but he deserves the chance to build his own team. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give him as much rope to hang himself with as possible. If we're this bad in 2009, pull the plug.

Herm "deserves" nothing. He serves at the pleasure of CP...and CP serves at the pleasure of Clark. If Clark pulls the plug on CP, he owes Herm ZERO.

Zouk · 12-17-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I don't think Herm is taking us anywhere, but he deserves the chance to build his own team. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give him as much rope to hang himself with as possible. If we're this bad in 2009, pull the plug.

Let the record note that you're willing to give Herm more time than even I - the uber-Herm defender - is willing to give him. If we're this bad in 2008, he will and should be fired.

**cdcox** · 12-25-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

Let the record note that you're willing to give Herm more time than even I - the uber-Herm defender - is willing to give him. If we're this bad in 2008, he will and should be fired.

If I'm not mistaken, Zouk is still a strong Herm defender.

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I'm on the fence on this issue. What coach would have had this collection of inept talent further along at this point? We know Carl has meddled with the situation and delayed a true "rebuild," which is what Herm wanted from the start.

I don't think Herm is taking us anywhere, but he deserves the chance to build his own team. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give him as much rope to hang himself with as possible. If we're this bad in 2009, pull the plug.

All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling? We have gone from a #2 ranking to number 31 in 1.8 years that may be a record. It also points to coaching and descending production from a coaching scheme.

And apart from Roaf and Shields its the same basic group Saunders was working with 2 years ago. And forget green he was good but "the system" helped him and Collins both.

Dave

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling?

Saunders is going to be fired in Washington most likely.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling? We have gone from a #2 ranking to number 31 in 1.8 years that may be a record. It also points to coaching and descending production from a coaching scheme.

And apart from Roaf and Shields its the same basic group Saunders was working with 2 years ago. And forget green he was good but "the system" helped him and Collins both.

Dave

Sorry, this is nonsense.

The Chiefs lost TWO hall of fame offensive lineman in consecutive years. TWO. And you expect that the Chiefs were going to continue producing their offensive numbers? Especially when DV was chasing after any DT in 5 drafts instead of drafting the BAA.

Add to the fact that Waters is 30, Weigman is 34 and Welbourne is in his thirties. They're ALL over 30! That is HUGE!

And if Saunders could do much with far less talent, why isn't he producing the same numbers in Washington, where they CLEARLY have had better offensive players across the board for the past two years? Why aren't they in the top 5?

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sorry, this is nonsense.

The Chiefs lost TWO hall of fame offensive lineman in consecutive years. TWO. And you expect that the Chiefs were going to continue producing their offensive numbers? Especially when DV was chasing after any DT in 5 drafts instead of drafting the BAA.

Add to the fact that Waters is 30, Weigman is 34 and Welbourne is in his thirties. They're ALL over 30! That is HUGE!

And if Saunders could do much with far less talent, why isn't he producing the same numbers in Washington, where they CLEARLY have had better offensive players across the board for the past two years? Why aren't they in the top 5?

Put down the crack pipe dude. DC has a hideous offense and the players are pitiful.

Dave

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Put down the crack pipe dude. DC has a hideous offense and the players are pitiful.

Dave

The Redskins have only allowed 24 sacks this year.

Yeah, that line SUCKS.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Put down the crack pipe dude. DC has a hideous offense and the players are pitiful.

Dave

WHAT???? W.T.F??

Santana Moss
Antwaan Randle El
Chris Samuels
Pete Kendall
Casey Rabach
Jason Fabini
Todd Wade
Chris Cooley
Todd Collins
Mike Sellars
Clinton Portis

Hideous? Are you out of your mind? How about additional players like Ladell Betts, Mark Brunell, James Thrash, Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell?

The Redskins have better receivers, a TE that's just a notch below TG, a solid offensive line, two very good running backs in Betts and Portis, and two very serviceable QB's (Campbell's out for the year).

Where's the "hideous" on that roster? "Hideous" is Kyle Turley, Will Svitek, Damien McIntosh and John Welbourne. Oh, and Samie Parker.

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