Eli Mannng vs. Rivers/Peyton - Page 6

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 10:35 PM

Manning and Rivers will forever be linked due to the draft day trade and the Chargers caving in to the pressure from the Mannings. Eli will also forever be compared to Peyton.

Well, it's pretty easy to see who got the better end of the draft day deal so let's move on to the brotherly comparisons. Eli has accomplished more in his first four seasons than Peyton. I have made the statements before and I'll say it again........with all the adversity that Eli had been through I believe he makes better reads and check downs than Peyton and thus is a better all around QB.

I've always felt Peyton had it easy in Indy. He was blessed to have the WR's he's had since coming into the league. It's easy to hit a deer in an open field. Ask Eli how much skill it takes to put the ball in traffic and make reads.

Any comments?

**dirk digler** · 01-20-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Again look at the numbers. New York's defense has been throttling people.

Great he's the perfect QB for Herm Edwards.

They have been playing like that all season. Minus the first 2 games of the season where they gave up 45 and 35 pts they have kept their opponents to under 21 pts almost every game except against the Pats.

If you look at Eli's stats he threw an INT in 12 games this season.

In the playoffs 0.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

Tamba Hali wasn't courageous for playing injured most of this season. He was stupid. I know it isn't the same concept because we weren't in a big game situation. If you're hurt, sit the hell down. The team ran smooth with Billy Volek in there, a 80% Phillip Rivers is not going to beat the Patriots.

Um they had no chance with Billy Volek, not one. He led them to a big score against the Colts but they aren't winning a playoff game with him.

Hammock Parties · 01-20-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

They have been playing like that all season. Minus the first 2 games of the season where they gave up 45 and 35 pts they have kept their opponents to under 21 pts almost every game except against the Pats.

If you look at Eli's stats he threw an INT in 12 games this season.

In the playoffs 0.

Which makes him adequate, not elite.

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's immature because he played WTF? Now that is just some bullshit because you don't like Rivers. If Favre does that he's a hero, Rivers does it and he's immature, jesus christ.

Selfish would've probably been a better way to say it. I think Volek would've given them a better chance to win (not that I wanted them to win but just say'n).

**dirk digler** · 01-20-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Did Croyle not start a game then sit out a week due to some injury?

It must have happened in the Raider game because he didn't play against the Chargers at home.

**dirk digler** · 01-20-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Which makes him adequate, not elite.

I never said elite I just said he is the #1 reason why they are going to the SB. He is on a hot streak.

If he threw INT's in any of their games they lose

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 11:35 PM

You just can't win with a "completely" immobile QB especially if they are injured and worried that the next hit would do some serious damage.

Pablo · 01-20-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

See I don't see what the problem with what TO does is, it's not like he's some guy who gets arrested or is some thug. I think over time that's become one of my issues with the league.

A guy like TO is considered a worse guy than someone like Randy McMichael who's been arrested for beating his wife multiple times. The quiet guy that beats his wife is more ok than the guy who does nothing bad but speaks his mind, how's that alright?

T.O. isn't a bad guy. He's not a thug, he's not a total idiot. He seems to be a team player in Dallas, he's just annoying. He's a primadonna. A whole lot of WR's are, that's my beef with the position. Dwayne Bowe will start running his mouth, because I guess that's what stud WR's think they have to do. Will I be more tolerant, probably. That's because he plays for the Chiefs...it's a double standard and I don't care. Do I want him making stupid prediction in big game scenarios and giving the opposing team ammo, hell no. Do I care if he does or says something funny after he does something productive on the field, no.

That's the reward. Catch a TD, make a great play, then run your mouth or celebration or whatever. On the field, not away from it. The media loves to fish these guys out in the locker room.."Say something stupid and immature, and then we'll loop in on three ESPN networks for 3 days straight every 30 minutes." Drama sells. I fucking hate Drama, don't like it in my personal life, didn't like the class in high school, I'll probably never appreciate the drama some statements professional athletes make. I just hate it.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bhud

Selfish would've probably been a better way to say it. I think Volek would've given them a better chance to win (not that I wanted them to win but just say'n).

I'm sorry but I think this is a horrible argument. It takes me back to what Owens said after playing in the Superbowl with a broken leg..."I do it everyone calls me a glory hound, Brett Favre does it, he's a hero"

And that's honestly how shit is, if someone people don't like does something courageous it turns into how it was bad for his team or all for his personal gain.

Pablo · 01-20-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Um they had no chance with Billy Volek, not one. He led them to a big score against the Colts but they aren't winning a playoff game with him.

They obviously can't win a playoff game against the Pats with an injured Rivers...or a healthy Rivers, and a healthy LT.

Hammock Parties · 01-20-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I never said elite I just said he is the #1 reason why they are going to the SB. He is on a hot streak.

Hot streak would indicate elite.

The #1 reason is the defense. Sorry I just don't think much of Eli.

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm sorry but I think this is a horrible argument. It takes me back to what Owens said after playing in the Superbowl with a broken leg..."I do it everyone calls me a glory hound, Brett Favre does it, he's a hero"

And that's honestly how shit is, if someone people don't like does something courageous it turns into how it was bad for his team or all for his personal gain.

I agree to a point. However, TO's injury did not impact his ability to make a huge impact in that game. Unexpectantly, McNabb was the one who choked.

In this case, Rivers' injury made him completely immobile thus impacting his ability to play the position.

In reality, choosing to play with a serious injury is almost always motivated by self interests. When the decision to play is made.........the player has to accept that the publics "PERCEPTION" will always be linked to two things:

1. The level of play displayed on the field: Poor by Rivers.

2. The final outcome: A loss.

You can't play like shit, lose, and still want to be viewed as a hero when there was an able bodied person standing on the sideline that could've given your team a better chance to win.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 11:46 PM

The Chargers didn't lose that game because Rivers was bad...they put up a lot of yards...their red zone play calling wasn't good..that was it.

When Cowher and Shannon wanted Rivers benched I thought they were complete reeruns and then Phil Simms said the same thing basically.

People just hate Rivers, the guy wasn't why they lost today, hey maybe if LT had as much heart as him they'd have won.

**doomy3** · 01-20-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chargers didn't lose that game because Rivers was bad...they put up a lot of yards...their red zone play calling wasn't good..that was it.

When Cowher and Shannon wanted Rivers benched I thought they were complete reeruns and then Phil Simms said the same thing basically.

People just hate Rivers, the guy wasn't why they lost today, hey maybe if LT had as much heart as him they'd have won.

Yeah, Rivers has more heart than LT. That's it.

You say some stupid shit sometimes.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Yeah, Rivers has more heart than LT. That's it.

You say some stupid shit sometimes.

Which one was on the field in the game and which one wasn't? If LT wasn't more seriously hurt than they let on then I consider that a problem.

This is what you play for, you're one game away from the bowl. The guy with the partially torn ACL and strained MCL is out there giving it all he's got. Meanwhile the teams best player is moping around the sideline.

Also this mobile argument is funny. Rivers avoided several sacks today and has never been overly mobile. It's not like this was Vick without legs out there today.

01-20-2008, 10:35 PM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Eli Mannng vs. Rivers/Peyton Manning and Rivers will forever be linked due to the draft day trade and the Chargers caving in to the pressure from the Mannings. Eli will also forever be compared to Peyton. Well, it's pretty easy to see who got the better end of the draft day deal so let's move on to the brotherly comparisons. Eli has accomplished more in his first four seasons than Peyton. I have made the statements before and I'll say it again........with all the adversity that Eli had been through I believe he makes better reads and check downs than Peyton and thus is a better all around QB. I've always felt Peyton had it easy in Indy. He was blessed to have the WR's he's had since coming into the league. It's easy to hit a deer in an open field. Ask Eli how much skill it takes to put the ball in traffic and make reads. Any comments?
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01-20-2008, 11:35 PM	#82
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	You just can't win with a "completely" immobile QB especially if they are injured and worried that the next hit would do some serious damage.
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01-20-2008, 11:46 PM	#88
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2287050	The Chargers didn't lose that game because Rivers was bad...they put up a lot of yards...their red zone play calling wasn't good..that was it. When Cowher and Shannon wanted Rivers benched I thought they were complete reeruns and then Phil Simms said the same thing basically. People just hate Rivers, the guy wasn't why they lost today, hey maybe if LT had as much heart as him they'd have won.
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