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Cubs acquire Rich Harden
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/0...kaplan-of.html
Cubs Acquire Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin By Tim Dierkes [July 8 at 5:25pm CST] 5:36pm: The Cubs' press release is out. The Cubs get Harden and Chad Gaudin for Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and catching prospect Josh Donaldson. Jim Hendry did his best to counter the Brewers' acquisition of CC Sabathia. The A's get three MLB-ready players plus a solid offense-oriented catching prospect Harden, 26, has been dominant in 13 starts for the A's this year. The injury-prone Harden is a tantalizing player; he's only topped 130 innings once but has a career ERA of 3.42. The latest concern: decreased velocity/dead arm in his last start. Harden has a $7MM club option for '09, which is highly likely to be exercised. Last edited by Sure-Oz; 07-08-2008 at 04:50 PM.. |
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07-09-2008, 07:43 AM | #76 |
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As a Cards fan, this SUCKS. Cubs are making the right moves to try and get over the top.
Even though most in this thread are counting the Cards finished because of the two acquisitions that have went down. Don't forget that they will be getting their two aces back shortly too. Yes they have overachieved, and yes I have been waiting for them to fall off, but wow what a surprise. After getting the pitching staff healthy they could have a chance. A chance that at the first of the season I would have told you was impossible.
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07-09-2008, 08:14 AM | #77 |
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As a Cubs fan I'm shocked that this move was done right after the Brewers landed Sabathia. I was confident they would add an arm but thought it would be closer to the deadline.
That said, I'm thrilled with the move. While Harden has injury issues, its a huge upgrade over Gallagher and we didn't have to give up anything to get him in my opinion. Murton is an AL player who never had a home on this team and that wasn't ever going to change. Heck, Soriano goes down and he still couldn't find the field. The organization liked EPat, but he was exposed in the OF which meant that he was only valuable at 2nd base where the Cubs have a log jam. The catcher is only 3 years younger than Soto, and his defense needs work so no real loss there. I'm obviously thrilled with Harden but to get a solid bull pen arm who can also spot start is an added bonus. My gut feeling tells me that the Cubs are not done, they still have some bullets to trade if they so desire and I don't put it past the Cubs to find a little insurance if they can get it at a reasonable price. My pipe dream would have them still swing a deal with Toronto for AJ Burnett, and find a team where they could unload Marquis. If that doesn't happen I'm still a happy man. Zambrano Harden Dempster Lilly Marquis/Marshall Or my Pipe dream rotation Zambrano Dempster Harden Lilly Burnett |
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07-09-2008, 08:34 AM | #78 |
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When the season is over and I'm jamming yet another year of failure up your ass sideways, remember all the snide little statements like this that you've made.
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07-09-2008, 08:53 AM | #79 |
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Looks like the cubs are really desparate to try to avoid that 100 year mark of futility...too bad (for them) they will still manage to blow it.
I think they should implement a "Cubs Rule" where if a team goes for this long without winning it all they should call off an entire year and give them a mercy title...poor little guys. I will love it when all the talking heads say that the Cards didn't make any moved to match the Cubs and Bewers and will thus fade down the strech, only to see them eat thier words when Muldar finds himself in as a solid #3, Wainwright and Carp come back in August and are both strong and the Cards run away with it. |
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07-09-2008, 09:27 AM | #83 |
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If they do ever win it again, we will probably have to endure back-pay of a centuries worth of pent up goat (oops, gloat) envy.
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07-09-2008, 09:29 AM | #84 |
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07-09-2008, 10:44 AM | #85 |
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Harden the Cubs new Mulder.
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As for the Harden trade, it is hard to think the Cubs will like this in the end. I just do not trust Moneyball anymore. I especially do not trust any pitchers coming from Oakland. Look at all of the stud pitchers that spent any significant amount of time there that was traded recently. Zito... turned to crap. Mulder... even bigger bust. Hudson... the best of the three, but definitely not the ace he was supposed to be. Oakland overworks their starters and then gets rid of them at high values. Then they break down and are never the same. I can see the same thing with Harden. Rumors have it that Harden was already breaking down with a drop in velocity and the A's got rid of him so quickly because they were not certain if he would last until the end of the month and maintain his value. Time will tell. |
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07-09-2008, 11:23 AM | #87 |
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Billy Beane is the A's. He gets the best of everyone. I have no doubt this was a good move for the A's.
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with BrewCrew getting C.C. and knowing Cards will get Wainwright/Carp back, Mulder we will see. The deal might be OK, A's probably got best deal. We still should have kept Harren, He'd be a starter here.
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