Science Science is so racist - Page 6

Silock · 07-11-2008, 04:35 AM

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ck_hole_a.html

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A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term.

markk · 07-11-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Thanks. I know whites feel the same. but they have a head start.
We don't in a lot of cases because of the unfair hiring practices of the past.

Plenty of us people of other races worked hard for everything we have, too.

There are also plenty of us whose families have not been in this country the entire time this oppression was happening. But those people still get blamed for it so long as they appear to be 'white people'.

How is it right to look at someone on the surface and say that? You don't know their story. Just because they're white, you can tell by looking that the world has come easy for them..? There are plenty of "white people" who have had it worse than you. There are plenty who haven't. The world isn't a simple place.

This doesn't make any sense. I'm not big on victim mentality anyway but I agree. You have issues.

**Donger** · 07-11-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Well it's been said before that we get breaks because of AA while you have to work twice as heard.

Same rhetoric as I just spieled.

Is the entire gist of your point that blacks have to work twice as hard because most white people are racist, overtly or not?

bkkcoh · 07-11-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

While I absolutely believe in White privilege...
I have to debunk the notion that they've all been silver spooned.

I certainly haven't been. I have had to work hard for everything that I have.

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Originally Posted by vailpass

How would you like to own a company and be told by the OFCCP that you are underutilizing a particular ethnic group and need to increase the frequency of their representation within your employee base to reflect the percentage of the general populace?

Nevermind that your employees are all electrical engineers, 90 % of whom are white, and that your geographic location is 95% white, and that if you ever did find a black electrical engineer they always tell you " I don't want to live there I don't like winter and there are no black people there".

I would be quite ticked at the government telling me I had to do this or that.

Would you like to be the potential black coach interviewing because he was filling a rule or because he was actually wanted there?

wutamess · 07-11-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

People like you are asking for a hand out, not a hand up.

Just curious... when have I asked for a handout while talking in general?
Think what you want... Not wasting anymore time on your ignorance.

We AGREE AA is the

wutamess · 07-11-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Is the entire gist of your point that blacks have to work twice as hard because most white people are racist, overtly or not?

While having some truth...
No.. my point was AA is/was the fairest system to promote workplace diversity until someone else proves otherwise.

wutamess · 07-11-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by markk

Plenty of us people of other races worked hard for everything we have, too.

There are also plenty of us whose families have not been in this country the entire time this oppression was happening. But those people still get blamed for it so long as they appear to be 'white people'.

How is it right to look at someone on the surface and say that? You don't know their story. Just because they're white, you can tell by looking that the world has come easy for them..?

This doesn't make any sense. I'm not big on victim mentality anyway but I agree. You have issues.

If that's the case... we all have them because I've more than once read on here that people hate AA because they feel they work hard for something and they're bypassed because of someone elses color.

I admit I have issues.

vailpass · 07-11-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

I certainly haven't been. I have had to work hard for everything that I have.

I would be quite ticked at the government telling me I had to do this or that.

Would you like to be the potential black coach interviewing because he was filling a rule or because he was actually wanted there?

No, I would be embarassed to have a job for which another candidate was better qualified because the government felt I couldn't make it on my own and so set up a discriminatory practice in order to force employers to hire me.

**Donger** · 07-11-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

While having some truth...
No.. my point was AA is/was the fairest system to promote workplace diversity until someone else proves otherwise.

You may note that I haven't said a word about AA.

I'm questioning why you wrote this: "We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove we're just as responsible or competent as our white counterparts."

vailpass · 07-11-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Just curious... when have I asked for a handout while talking in general?
Think what you want... Not wasting anymore time on your ignorance.

We AGREE AA is the

You are right, I unfairly personalized my statement. I should have said "people who support or are supported by AA are looking for a hand out not a hand up".

wutamess · 07-11-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

No, I would be embarassed to have a job for which another candidate was better qualified because the government felt I couldn't make it on my own and so set up a discriminatory practice in order to force employers to hire me.

As opposed to YOU (not you) setting up discriminatory practices to prevent you from hiring me?

**RNR** · 07-11-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by markk

Plenty of us people of other races worked hard for everything we have, too.

There are also plenty of us whose families have not been in this country the entire time this oppression was happening. But those people still get blamed for it so long as they appear to be 'white people'.

How is it right to look at someone on the surface and say that? You don't know their story. Just because they're white, you can tell by looking that the world has come easy for them..? There are plenty of "white people" who have had it worse than you. There are plenty who haven't. The world isn't a simple place.

This doesn't make any sense. I'm not big on victim mentality anyway but I agree. You have issues.

**Donger** · 07-11-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

As opposed to YOU (not you) setting up discriminatory practices to prevent you from hiring me?

Have you ever experienced the same but from a reverse perspective? A majority black company that wouldn't hire a white person?

Even hypothetically, would that be just as bad in your eyes?

wutamess · 07-11-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

You may note that I haven't said a word about AA.

I'm questioning why you wrote this: "We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove we're just as responsible or competent as our white counterparts."

Donger, you're not black... you don't know how you have to have a smile on your face when you walk past a white lady so that she won't fear you snatching her purse. You don't know how you have to overtip to break the stereotype that not all black people aren't bad tippers.

Just leave it alone.

vailpass · 07-11-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

As opposed to YOU (not you) setting up discriminatory practices to prevent you from hiring me?

My hiring practices are the same as any other business person who wants to stay in business: get the best talent regardless of color or creed. Period. End of story.
I don't give a care what they do or who they are in their own time as long as they produce on mine.

Is it right to restrict the vast majority of business owners who do not practice any form of race discrimination in order to curb the few who do?
The market will take care of those few, if you don't hire the best talent you won't stay in business.

markk · 07-11-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

If that's the case... we all have them because I've more than once read on here that people hate AA because they feel they work hard for something and they're bypassed because of someone elses color.

I'm going to hire the most qualified applicant no matter who they are. If I don't, I'm doing myself a disservice, or my shareholders or whomever's money I'm playing with.

I would oppose racist hiring practices and affirmative action for the same reason - they both keep me from fulfilling my fiduciary duty to get the greatest possible return with our owner/partners/shareholders' money. If I do anything other than hire the most qualified people no matter what they look like, I'm not doing that.