Chiefs Biggest 10 needs in '09 - Page 6

Mr. Laz · 11-16-2008, 03:31 PM

1. RDE (no pass rush whatsoever)
2. RT (McIntsuck gives it up at least 3/4 times every game)
3. MLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle!!)
4. LDE (Hali should be a backup)
5. OLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle)
6. QB (thiggy looks good but ....... )
7. Center (Niswanger just can't seem to get any push at all)
8. CB (Flowers is hasty,Carr is a viable nickle, we need an athletic #1 guy)
9. Safety (Morgan? McGraw? geesh ... we need a stud back there)
10. RG/DT a tie ... we still need more talent in our interior lines

opinions?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-16-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

I think its obvious, with a top 5 pick we will not take a RT, C or G nor does it make sense to take an LB that high. The best QB should go to the lions so we will,or should I say better, grab a DE with our 1st pick. After that O line is the top priority,

LBs and Safeties are often taken in that range if they are an exceptional talent. The Packers don't regret for a second taking AJ Hawk, and in hindsight, Jerod Mayo and Patrick Willis are both top 5 calibre--I'm sure there are lots of teams that really regret not valuing those guys higher.

You don't take a LB that high only because he's the best in his class, but you do if you think he's going to be a difference-maker.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-16-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well they also refuse to play Herb Taylor....

I think the Chiefs refuse to play anyone else on the line because they seem to think the same guys playing together is more important than benching a dude for blowing.

Exactly.

Christ, we're talking about a coach that was going to start an 800 year old Eddie Kennison and a guy who's out of the league over Dwayne Bowe from Day One last year.

Thank God Kennison got hurt, or Bowe may have rarely seen the field.

Unfortunately, McIntosh has somehow stayed healthy this year - that seems to be the only way Taylor is going to see any time at RT, where he belongs - for now.

The last 6 games should be played like preseason. Get these guys some work and evaluate for 2009. McIntosh and Jones/Smith bring nothing to this OL, other than sacks and 3 yard losses.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-16-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Well, Rudy at 6'4" is too tall to be a C, and I'm not too overly impressed with him at the C position. I think he can play the G position w/o any trouble.

Taylor, on the other hand, is a idealistic C. In order to be a solid center, one must have leverage. Rudy didn't have much leverage, but Taylor has shown great leverage during his time at the RT position.

And I don't see Taylor as a "protypical" RT type of a player.

That is a really interesting thought.

It's doable, as the Chiefs can move Wade Smith to center, Niswanger at guard, and Taylor to RT.

I think because of how many QBs they've already killed, that they're going to try not to tinker too much with the line as it is right now. Unfortunately.

Mecca · 11-16-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

LBs and Safeties are often taken in that range if they are an exceptional talent. The Packers don't regret for a second taking AJ Hawk, and in hindsight, Jerod Mayo and Patrick Willis are both top 5 calibre--I'm sure there are lots of teams that really regret not valuing those guys higher.

You don't take a LB that high only because he's the best in his class, but you do if you think he's going to be a difference-maker.

You won't get a whole lot of argument with me about that which is why I will bring up Mays I think he's rare and not a typical safety.

beach tribe · 11-16-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well he's 6'3, 230lbs...and runs a 4.3.....he's been starting at SC since his true freshman season.

Last week you said he ran in the low 4.4s.

Let me tell you about this fish i caught.

Dark Horse · 11-16-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So we're gonna pick like 6th.

I just can't see us out bungling the bungles, and the Raiders have taken pathetic to a whole new level.

Mecca · 11-16-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Last week you said he ran in the low 4.4s.

Let me tell you about this fish i caught.

Uh no, I probably said sub 4.4, his timed 40 is something like 4.35.

Mecca · 11-16-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

I just can't see us out bungling the bungles, and the Raiders have taken pathetic to a whole new level.

Well mark off QB and DE then.

Basileus777 · 11-16-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Packers don't regret for a second taking AJ Hawk, and in hindsight,

Probably, but only because the rest of the top of that draft has been pretty disappointing. AJ Hawk has been a solid linebacker, but he hasn't exactly lived up to being a top 5 pick. He isn't an elite or even pro-bowl player.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-16-2008, 04:39 PM

You're talking about a team with over half the team starting that has 3 years of experience or less, and you're going to talk about ONE example of a rookie not playing over a veteran? Nevermind that Bowe held out of training camp and probably wasn't ready to start right away anyway?

Please. Lots of stuff to blame the coaching staff for. But I can't believe there is actually an accusation that they are hesitant to start youth over veteran experience.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Exactly.

Christ, we're talking about a coach that was going to start an 800 year old Eddie Kennison and a guy who's out of the league over Dwayne Bowe from Day One last year.

Thank God Kennison got hurt, or Bowe may have rarely seen the field.

Unfortunately, McIntosh has somehow stayed healthy this year - that seems to be the only way Taylor is going to see any time at RT, where he belongs - for now.

The last 6 games should be played like preseason. Get these guys some work and evaluate for 2009. McIntosh and Jones/Smith bring nothing to this OL, other than sacks and 3 yard losses.

**Rausch** · 11-16-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

And I don't see Taylor as a "protypical" RT type of a player.

I didn't see Pigpen as the "prot0typical" QB either, but he's producing.

Right now our RT stinks worse than cat $#it in an attick on a hot July day.

If it doesn't work that's cool, and he's got talent so I'd be willing to try C after that, but I'm tired of us butting our heads against the wall (McSucksomuchithurts) waiting for the paint to taste like schnoz berries. Right now our HC should be a fat ball of blue getting sucked up the reject tube...

Coach · 11-16-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That is a really interesting thought.

It's doable, as the Chiefs can move Wade Smith to center, Niswanger at guard, and Taylor to RT.

I think because of how many QBs they've already killed, that they're going to try not to tinker too much with the line as it is right now. Unfortunately.

While true on the last comment, now would be a good time to make the changes, as if you move Taylor to the C position, and slide Rudy to the RG spot, you may have solved two positions in one move that you may not need to select a high pick on. Of course, you will/should pick another G who can fill in Waters spot as I see Waters giving us at least two more years left. That way you got guys who played with each other for a little bit in the end of the 08 season, and something for them to build on towards the 09 season.

The RT problem can be addressed through FA or the Draft. Also, it depends on the development of Richardson as well.

bowener · 11-16-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

1. RDE (no pass rush whatsoever)
2. RT (McIntsuck gives it up at least 3/4 times every game)
3. MLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle!!)
4. LDE (Hali should be a backup)
5. OLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle)
6. QB (thiggy looks good but ....... )
7. Center (Niswanger just can't seem to get any push at all)
8. CB (Flowers is hasty,Carr is a viable nickle, we need an athletic #1 guy)
9. Safety (Morgan? McGraw? geesh ... we need a stud back there)
10. RG/DT a tie ... we still need more talent in our interior lines

opinions?

What DE position does T. Suggs play? He is for sale next offseason. If we got a guy like him it would free up the 1st round unless you would rather have Orakpo, which there is nothing wrong with.

Dark Horse · 11-16-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

LBs and Safeties are often taken in that range if they are an exceptional talent. The Packers don't regret for a second taking AJ Hawk, and in hindsight, Jerod Mayo and Patrick Willis are both top 5 calibre--I'm sure there are lots of teams that really regret not valuing those guys higher.

You don't take a LB that high only because he's the best in his class, but you do if you think he's going to be a difference-maker.

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense for any team to take one, but it doesn't make sense for a team with more pressing needs. The 2010 draft would be an excellent time to take a LB in the 1st

Mecca · 11-16-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

What DE position does T. Suggs play? He is for sale next offseason.

They'll just tag him again...

11-16-2008, 03:31 PM
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Biggest 10 needs in '09 1. RDE (no pass rush whatsoever) 2. RT (McIntsuck gives it up at least 3/4 times every game) 3. MLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle!!) 4. LDE (Hali should be a backup) 5. OLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle) 6. QB (thiggy looks good but ....... ) 7. Center (Niswanger just can't seem to get any push at all) 8. CB (Flowers is hasty,Carr is a viable nickle, we need an athletic #1 guy) 9. Safety (Morgan? McGraw? geesh ... we need a stud back there) 10. RG/DT a tie ... we still need more talent in our interior lines opinions?
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