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Old 12-29-2008, 05:22 PM   #1
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Well that's what they get for keeping Gunther around.
Regardless i remember you were all for giving Herm a chance at the time. WE all thought Herm was giogn to get his say so and that Gun was just his puppet. I think alot of fans though, Herm would be the real DC of the team. It just didnt happen for whatever reasons.

This defense needs fixing in the worst way. I cant stand giving up 38 points. Shit pisses me off.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:23 PM   #2
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Regardless i remember you were all for giving Herm a chance at the time. WE all thought Herm was giogn to get his say so and that Gun was just his puppet. I think alot of fans though, Herm would be the real DC of the team. It just didnt happen for whatever reasons.

This defense needs fixing in the worst way. I cant stand giving up 38 points. Shit pisses me off.
The problem with that is Herm has never been a DC.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:36 PM   #3
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You didn't win a Super Bowl with Trent green, Joe Montana, Warren Moon... Defences, kids. If you have a defence that can make stops and your offense puts up points on a consistent basis and your coaches aren't frickin morons, you win. Period.
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It didn't net them any results because they had an awful defence! Unless you want Tony G lining up at LB and D-bowe playing safety with Albert clogging up the middle, allowing dorsey to move over to left end, the blame for a lack of wins falls squarely on the defence's shoulders.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:21 PM   #4
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I'm somewhere in the middle on this subject but 710 doesn't carry sports-talk and I can't stand K-shartstarter-K. I think he deserves a shot at backup if we can draft a Joe Montana but I don't know that there's one out there. But I definitely think we should use our first pick to find out, IF Detroit and St. Louis haven't already taken him (whomever that may be).
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:18 PM   #5
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The bottom line is this:

Thigpen deserves a chance to compete for the starting job in camp. He earned that this year.

He did NOT earn the starting job.

He must compete with our first-round pick.

Thigpen is not good enough to warrant passing on a quarterback.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:20 PM   #6
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The bottom line is this:

Thigpen deserves a chance to compete for the starting job in camp. He earned that this year.

He did NOT earn the starting job.

He must compete with our first-round pick.

Thigpen is not good enough to warrant passing on a quarterback.
I agree and disagree. I am not convinced we need to draft a QB in the first round. But I do not think we ink Thigy as THE starter. But I want him to get a fair shot regarldless of who we draft or sign.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:24 PM   #7
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I am not convinced we need to draft a QB in the first round.
Uh, why not?

If there's a guy there who you think is a franchise QB, you take him. There's no reason not to. Thigpen isn't good enough to pass on any player who might be a franchise QB.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:27 PM   #8
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Uh, why not?

If there's a guy there who you think is a franchise QB, you take him. There's no reason not to. Thigpen isn't good enough to pass on any player who might be a franchise QB.
Cause we need help everywhere else! A franchise QB isn't going to keep the other team from scoring. A franchise QB isn't going to set a record for the least amount of sacks. We have tried the "out score them" plan and it didn't work.

Thigy played well enough to win several of his starts if we had a defense to protect the lead. And if we had a RB who could pick up 1 ****ing yard when we need it to keep the drives going.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:28 PM   #9
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Cause we need help everywhere else! A franchise QB isn't going to keep the other team from scoring.
QB is still the most important position.

A better QB and we might have won 5 or 6 games this year.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:38 PM   #10
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Cause we need help everywhere else! A franchise QB isn't going to keep the other team from scoring. A franchise QB isn't going to set a record for the least amount of sacks. We have tried the "out score them" plan and it didn't work.

Thigy played well enough to win several of his starts if we had a defense to protect the lead. And if we had a RB who could pick up 1 ****ing yard when we need it to keep the drives going.
We can still get that help also. It's one pick, and a high one. This may be your only chance for a long time to be put into a position like this, you have to take the chance. We can work on the rest of the stuff with the other picks and free agency. This opportunity might not show itself for sometime, and they both may be gone when pick anyhow, or one, or both may not come out. Bet your ass though if one of them are there at #3, they have to take that chance.

Thigy can compete for the job, he will lose, but he has earned that.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:43 PM   #11
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do you guys think that the high ranked qb's are all going to come out this year when the NFL said yesterday that the rookie salary is going to stay the same until AFTER next year. therefore ANY change will NOT effect the underclassmen this year
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If you feel you are for a fact top 5 pick you should leave, you risk losing draft position or getting injured if you don't...you drop 5 spots you just cost yourself atleast 20 million dollars.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:46 PM   #13
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If you feel you are for a fact top 5 pick you should leave, you risk losing draft position or getting injured if you don't...you drop 5 spots you just cost yourself atleast 20 million dollars.
who is a sure fire top 5 pick? stafford? maybe, the experts seem divided. if he comes out will the lions take him? probably. then what?
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If Stafford and Bradford both came out I have no question that they'd both be gone by the 15th pick.

Bradford in my view is the guy with the most to lose his stock will never be higher than it is right now.
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If Stafford and Bradford both came out I have no question that they'd both be gone by the 15th pick.

Bradford in my view is the guy with the most to lose his stock will never be higher than it is right now.
but you said a top 5 not top 15, so who comes out?
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