McShays updated top 10 draft. - Page 6

melbar · 01-26-2009, 12:46 PM

Per ESPNnews

1. Lions
Matt Stafford QB

2. Rams
Jason Smith OT

3. Chiefs
Aaron Curry LB

4. Seahawks
B.J. Raji DT

5. Browns
Malcolm Jenkins CB

6. Bengals
Andre Smith OT

7. Raiders
Mike Crabtree WR

8. Jaguars
Jeremy Maclin WR

9. Packers
Eugene Monroe OT

10. 49ers
Mark Sanchez QB

I like the Curry pick. Jason Smith at 2 supprised me...

**The Bad Guy** · 01-31-2009, 09:33 AM

You know what I want to do?

Get a real defensive coach in here that knows how to coach according to players' talents, and not some bullshit cookie-cutter scheme.

Then I will be able to declare who sucks, and who doesn't, because frankly with Gun, he was as much of the problem.

As it stands right now, I want the QB, but would be fine with Crabtree if he's the BPA.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-31-2009, 09:53 AM

And I do not think that Dorsey can play end in a 3-4. I don't know of any scouting report that made such a claim prior to last year's draft. Every one that mentioned him did so as a 3-4 nose tackle. He was even quoted in an interview as saying he'd put on weight if the coaches felt that was his best position.

He's not going to be 6-1 and 340 pounds and have any kind of quickness or speed, and putting the #5 overall pick at end in a 3-4 is a complete waste. It would basically be like drafting a weak side linebacker for a 4-3 at that position, and in many ways, worse.

People seriously overrate the 3-4 defense. It's no more inherently effective than a 4-3, and it's harder to get players for it. 3-4 NTs are harder to find than quarterbacks.

Half of the top 10 Ds were 4-3s, the other half were 3-4s. Last year, only 3/10 of the top Ds were 3-4s. The year before that it was 4.

So with that being said, why flush the one unknown on the D with the most talent to move to a scheme that isn't inherently any better, but marginalizes him?

We can play a base 4-3 and get another D tackle who has a bigger frame.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-31-2009, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

You know what I want to do?

Get a real defensive coach in here that knows how to coach according to players' talents, and not some bullshit cookie-cutter scheme.

Then I will be able to declare who sucks, and who doesn't, because frankly with Gun, he was as much of the problem.

As it stands right now, I want the QB, but would be fine with Crabtree if he's the BPA.

Larry Fitzgerald is really earning Michael Crabtree a lot of money, and it's ridiculous.

When Crabtree has played a down in a pro-style offense, learns how to run a route, or has hands even remotely approaching those of Fitzgerald, he might then be worthy of a top 10 pick.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-31-2009, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Larry Fitzgerald is really earning Michael Crabtree a lot of money, and it's ridiculous.

When Crabtree has played a down in a pro-style offense, learns how to run a route, or has hands even remotely approaching those of Fitzgerald, he might then be worthy of a top 10 pick.

I liked Crabtree long before Fitzgerald went on this run.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-31-2009, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I liked Crabtree long before Fitzgerald went on this run.

You may have, but he's shot up the boards and people are talking about him in the top 3 despite doing nothing. He's not Calvin or Andre Johnson, he's not some kind of elite talent.

Danman · 01-31-2009, 10:24 AM

I like the Curry pick, if Stafford and Sanchez are both gone and we've traded down to about 7-9.

bowener · 01-31-2009, 03:34 PM

Wow. I did not know that Dorsey has 35" long arms at 6'1". That gives him a wingspan of almost a foot more than he is tall at 7 feet.

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For instance, Dorsey’s arms measured at nearly 35 inches, unusually long for a man his size and giving him a wingspan of more than seven feet. Players with long arms can play with great leverage, often overcoming bigger, taller opponents by keeping their hands away.

Link

RustShack · 02-01-2009, 02:28 AM

****ing ape man.

philfree · 02-04-2009, 11:01 AM

Updated 2/2

Updated: February 2, 2009
Plenty of shuffling in latest mockComment Email Print By Todd McShay
Scouts Inc.
Archive
The college all-star games have come and gone, and NFL prospects and teams are looking toward the upcoming combine. Individual workouts and combine showings will certainly affect the stock of many top prospects over the next few weeks, but enough questions have been answered for Scouts Inc. to present its first two-round mock draft of 2009. Here's how we see things shaking down at this point:

1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16): Matthew Stafford*, QB, Georgia
Yes, his inconsistency can be frustrating. His footwork needs polishing, and he must learn to take some heat off his fastball when throwing underneath. But after studying the game tape of the entire 2009 quarterback class, it's clear to us that Stafford is the top dog. His combination of accuracy, arm strength, surprising mobility and experience in a pro-style offense (in the SEC) is second to none.

Here's the catch-22 for the Lions, though: While they need a franchise quarterback and there isn't enough depth in this year's class to feel good about the chances of finding one 19 picks later, Stafford does not grade out as highly as Matt Ryan did a year ago, and eight of the past 11 underclassmen quarterbacks drafted in the first round have either failed to meet expectations or have been outright busts. This is the type of franchise-defining decision that could make or break the career of new general manager Martin Mayhew.

2. St. Louis Rams (2-14): Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
The Rams desperately need to upgrade their offensive front, and Jason Smith, Andre Smith and Eugene Monroe will all be in the discussion. Don't be surprised if the senior from Baylor wins out on potential. He is a converted tight end and has the best feet of the group.

3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14): Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
Tyler Thigpen might not be the long-term answer at quarterback for the Chiefs, but it's hard to imagine new GM Scott Pioli veering from the "Patriot way" he learned during his time in New England. Drafting a defensive lineman like DE Everette Brown or DT B.J. Raji is a possibility, and beefing up the offensive line isn't out of the question, either. But the Chiefs spent a pair of first-round picks on those spots last year, and Pioli hit a home run with the first-round pick of linebacker Jerod Mayo in New England last season. Plus, Curry has the versatility Pioli looks for, and he fits an area of need.

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Michael Crabtree appears to be the obvious selection for a Seahawks team in desperate need of a playmaker at wide receiver, but Raji's stock is soaring after his dominant showing at the Senior Bowl, and a top priority for the Seahawks this offseason is to find a difference-maker at defensive tackle.

5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): Everette Brown*, DE, Florida State
Brown's pass-rushing skills would be a welcome addition to a Cleveland defense that notched only 17 sacks in 2008.

6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1): Andre Smith*, OT, Alabama
The Bengals need to solidify their offensive line. RT Stacy Andrews took a step backward before his knee injury, and Smith is a good fit to step in immediately as a starter on the right side.

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11): Michael Crabtree**, WR, Texas Tech
Crabtree has Larry Fitzgerald-type potential. Though his 40-yard dash time might not excite owner Al Davis, even Davis is capable of recognizing the opportunity to select the best athlete in the draft at No. 7.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11): Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
WR/RS Jeremy Maclin's speed and game-breaking skills would be enticing here. However, the Jags need to find an upgrade over Khalif Barnes at left tackle, and Monroe has the feet and pass-blocking skills to eventually provide that.

9. Green Bay Packers (6-10): Malcolm Jenkins, DB, Ohio State
The Packers' secondary is aging. Jenkins isn't an ideal fit from a man-to-man cover corner perspective, but his versatility and playmaking skills make him the most complete defensive back in the 2009 class.

10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9): Jeremy Maclin**, WR/RS, Missouri
QB Mark Sanchez will be in the discussion, but can the 49ers afford to spend another high first-round pick on a quarterback who has only 16 collegiate starts under his belt? That's just not good business. Assuming they go in a different direction, Maclin would be high on the list because he's one of only a few individuals in this year's draft capable of providing the home-run-hitting ability the Niners lack on the perimeter.

---

Everett Brown at #5 seems like a reach to me.
It's a two round mock and it has the Chiefs selecting Freeman in the 2nd round.

PhilFree

**The Franchise** · 02-04-2009, 11:19 AM

God I hate hearing "The Patriot Way" of drafting. He is no longer with the Patriots! The Chiefs and the Patriots are two TOTALLY different teams in talents and needs. So saying that he's not going to draft a QB in the 1st round because thats not how he did it in New England is reeruned.

Coogs · 02-04-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

God I hate hearing "The Patriot Way" of drafting. He is no longer with the Patriots! The Chiefs and the Patriots are two TOTALLY different teams in talents and needs. So saying that he's not going to draft a QB in the 1st round because thats not how he did it in New England is reeruned.

No kidding. Even though it has been mentioned before, I think it bears repeating again. When all of these guru's got to NE a few years ago, this fellow was already there.

1993 1 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe QB Washington State

The 1's that are listed there represent New Englands first pick, in the first round, which was the number one overall pick, which was the first player selected in the draft.

Then they hit gold right after they got there with Brady, because they really didn't need to select a QB high in the draft since Bledsoe wasn't exactly chopped liver.

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melbar Hillbilly Pharoh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Branson MO. Casino cash: $10004900	McShays updated top 10 draft. Per ESPNnews 1. Lions Matt Stafford QB 2. Rams Jason Smith OT 3. Chiefs Aaron Curry LB 4. Seahawks B.J. Raji DT 5. Browns Malcolm Jenkins CB 6. Bengals Andre Smith OT 7. Raiders Mike Crabtree WR 8. Jaguars Jeremy Maclin WR 9. Packers Eugene Monroe OT 10. 49ers Mark Sanchez QB I like the Curry pick. Jason Smith at 2 supprised me...
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	And I do not think that Dorsey can play end in a 3-4. I don't know of any scouting report that made such a claim prior to last year's draft. Every one that mentioned him did so as a 3-4 nose tackle. He was even quoted in an interview as saying he'd put on weight if the coaches felt that was his best position. He's not going to be 6-1 and 340 pounds and have any kind of quickness or speed, and putting the #5 overall pick at end in a 3-4 is a complete waste. It would basically be like drafting a weak side linebacker for a 4-3 at that position, and in many ways, worse. People seriously overrate the 3-4 defense. It's no more inherently effective than a 4-3, and it's harder to get players for it. 3-4 NTs are harder to find than quarterbacks. Half of the top 10 Ds were 4-3s, the other half were 3-4s. Last year, only 3/10 of the top Ds were 3-4s. The year before that it was 4. So with that being said, why flush the one unknown on the D with the most talent to move to a scheme that isn't inherently any better, but marginalizes him? We can play a base 4-3 and get another D tackle who has a bigger frame. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2253802	Updated 2/2 Updated: February 2, 2009 Plenty of shuffling in latest mockComment Email Print By Todd McShay Scouts Inc. Archive The college all-star games have come and gone, and NFL prospects and teams are looking toward the upcoming combine. Individual workouts and combine showings will certainly affect the stock of many top prospects over the next few weeks, but enough questions have been answered for Scouts Inc. to present its first two-round mock draft of 2009. Here's how we see things shaking down at this point: 1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16): Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia Yes, his inconsistency can be frustrating. His footwork needs polishing, and he must learn to take some heat off his fastball when throwing underneath. But after studying the game tape of the entire 2009 quarterback class, it's clear to us that Stafford is the top dog. His combination of accuracy, arm strength, surprising mobility and experience in a pro-style offense (in the SEC) is second to none. Here's the catch-22 for the Lions, though: While they need a franchise quarterback and there isn't enough depth in this year's class to feel good about the chances of finding one 19 picks later, Stafford does not grade out as highly as Matt Ryan did a year ago, and eight of the past 11 underclassmen quarterbacks drafted in the first round have either failed to meet expectations or have been outright busts. This is the type of franchise-defining decision that could make or break the career of new general manager Martin Mayhew. 2. St. Louis Rams (2-14): Jason Smith, OT, Baylor The Rams desperately need to upgrade their offensive front, and Jason Smith, Andre Smith and Eugene Monroe will all be in the discussion. Don't be surprised if the senior from Baylor wins out on potential. He is a converted tight end and has the best feet of the group. 3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14): Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest Tyler Thigpen might not be the long-term answer at quarterback for the Chiefs, but it's hard to imagine new GM Scott Pioli veering from the "Patriot way" he learned during his time in New England. Drafting a defensive lineman like DE Everette Brown or DT B.J. Raji is a possibility, and beefing up the offensive line isn't out of the question, either. But the Chiefs spent a pair of first-round picks on those spots last year, and Pioli hit a home run with the first-round pick of linebacker Jerod Mayo in New England last season. Plus, Curry has the versatility Pioli looks for, and he fits an area of need. 4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College Michael Crabtree appears to be the obvious selection for a Seahawks team in desperate need of a playmaker at wide receiver, but Raji's stock is soaring after his dominant showing at the Senior Bowl, and a top priority for the Seahawks this offseason is to find a difference-maker at defensive tackle. 5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): Everette Brown, DE, Florida State Brown's pass-rushing skills would be a welcome addition to a Cleveland defense that notched only 17 sacks in 2008. 6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1): Andre Smith, OT, Alabama The Bengals need to solidify their offensive line. RT Stacy Andrews took a step backward before his knee injury, and Smith is a good fit to step in immediately as a starter on the right side. 7. Oakland Raiders (5-11): Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech Crabtree has Larry Fitzgerald-type potential. Though his 40-yard dash time might not excite owner Al Davis, even Davis is capable of recognizing the opportunity to select the best athlete in the draft at No. 7. 8. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11): Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia WR/RS Jeremy Maclin's speed and game-breaking skills would be enticing here. However, the Jags need to find an upgrade over Khalif Barnes at left tackle, and Monroe has the feet and pass-blocking skills to eventually provide that. 9. Green Bay Packers (6-10): Malcolm Jenkins, DB, Ohio State The Packers' secondary is aging. Jenkins isn't an ideal fit from a man-to-man cover corner perspective, but his versatility and playmaking skills make him the most complete defensive back in the 2009 class. 10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9): Jeremy Maclin, WR/RS, Missouri QB Mark Sanchez will be in the discussion, but can the 49ers afford to spend another high first-round pick on a quarterback who has only 16 collegiate starts under his belt? That's just not good business. Assuming they go in a different direction, Maclin would be high on the list because he's one of only a few individuals in this year's draft capable of providing the home-run-hitting ability the Niners lack on the perimeter. --- Everett Brown at #5 seems like a reach to me. It's a two round mock and it has the Chiefs selecting Freeman in the 2nd round. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC] Last edited by philfree; 02-04-2009 at 11:07 AM..*
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