Chiefs Matt Cassel: Good or Bad? - Page 6

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-28-2009, 01:32 PM

We may as well have an easy point of reference for people to be able to come back and eat their crow when this all pans out. Everyone always says I knew it all along. Step up and put it down.

I don't think a 2nd round pick is terrible, but I don't think Matt Cassel will pan out in KC. I'll put it down right here, right now. And now I'll start praying I'm wrong.

Forget the trade. The only thing I want you to commit too is whether or not Cassel is a good or bad choice for QBOTF.

Fritz88 · 02-28-2009, 03:00 PM

I think it's a great trade.

tk13 · 02-28-2009, 03:01 PM

Hamas may have let his mind officially meltdown here. I don't even think Cassel is some kind of savior, but comparing him to one of the 2 or 3 best QB's of the modern era is going to be impossible to beat. Sure if Tom Brady is the standard, this trade is a failure, but then again Sanchez and Stafford would be too, and most QB's that are going to be drafted in the next 10 years.

**dirk digler** · 02-28-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'll post this again:

I'm not going to convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced.

If we paid a high second for him, it's because no one else thought he was worth anything higher.

We will live to regret passing on these two quarterbacks for a guy with mediocre talent who was in a perfect situation.

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You know what is interesting is that 2 out of the top 3 teams at the top of the draft wanted Cassel so what does that say about what NFL teams think about Stafford and Sanchez?

Basileus777 · 02-28-2009, 03:01 PM

The embarrassingly bad secondary the Pats had might have something to do with losing 5 games. The guy was a first year starter who improved considerably as the year progressed, comparing him to Brady or saying that he can never win a Superbowl because of last year is really reaching.

talastan · 02-28-2009, 03:02 PM

I'm not impressed with Cassel but the trade was a heck of trade. Vrabel and Cassel for one pick isn't bad.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-28-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

You know what is interesting is that 2 out of the top 3 teams at the top of the draft wanted Cassel so what does that say about what NFL teams think about Stafford and Sanchez?

I just hope we can draft some scrub like Harrell in the later rounds; if we're gonna' **** up, let's do it 100%!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

They went 11-5. Is it really his fault they played in a competitive division and couldn't get into the playoffs? We don't know what sort of noise the Pats would have made in the postseason.

Plus, we're talking about a second-year player who had barely thrown an NFL pass before.

We're really expecting too much.

This is bullshit. He played the AFC W and NFC W for 8 games last year.

Stats against those two divisions last year:

14 TDs, 6 Int,

Against teams out of those divisions:

7 TDs, 5 Int

**dirk digler** · 02-28-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I just hope we can draft some scrub like Harrell in the later rounds; if we're gonna' **** up, let's do it 100%!

DCS I think it is a legit question. Obviously there is alot of teams that don't believe either of those 2 QB's are worthy of the top picks since they were willing to trade for Matt Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Hamas may have let his mind officially meltdown here. I don't even think Cassel is some kind of savior, but comparing him to one of the 2 or 3 best QB's of the modern era is going to be impossible to beat. Sure if Tom Brady is the standard, this trade is a failure, but then again Sanchez and Stafford would be too, and most QB's that are going to be drafted in the next 10 years.

Yeah, it's almost like I didn't say "He doesn't have to be Tom Brady, but he has to prove that he can take this team deep into the playoffs."

Hammock Parties · 02-28-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is bullshit. He played the AFC W and NFC W for 8 games last year.

Stats against those two divisions last year:

14 TDs, 6 Int,

Against teams out of those divisions:

7 TDs, 5 Int

HE WAS A SECOND-YEAR PLAYER WITH BARELY ANY EXPERIENCE

You are being way too hard on Matt Cassel. He's not Thigpen.

**Bob Dole** · 02-28-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

He is the thing nobody has brought up. Even if Cassel is at his peak, (which I don't think he is) he is almost certain to be a very serviceable NFL QB. Maybe not a Superbowl caliber QB, but one which will allow the Chiefs to get better and learn how to win again. We need this badly.

Unlike King Carl, Pioli will not sit on his butt year after year and never draft any QBs. He will get a mid or late round guy to groom as Cassel's replacement.

Chase Patton as an undrafted free agent this year.

Hammock Parties · 02-28-2009, 03:07 PM

I guess I should shut the **** up. He's played four years. Dammit!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The question that this thread is built around isn't whether it's a good or bad trade, the question is whether Cassel is a good or bad choice for quarterback of the future.

(you may wonder at the distinction, but there are a number of folks who are okay with the terms of the trade, but not at all sold on the idea that cassel will turn out to be anything)

It's about whether people think Cassel with be a franchise player in the end.

Bingo.

The value for the pick is fine.

The fact that we are going to have Matt Cassel, Curry/Raji, and Vrabel's corpse as opposed to Sanchez/Stafford, and #34 is not.

Matt Cassel is not a franchise quarterback. I'm sorry, he's not.

Nightwish · 02-28-2009, 03:08 PM

Last year showed he has a lot of talent, and he's able to step up when he needs to. Plus, he's young and has a lot of years left in him, assuming he can stay healthy - a big "if" in KC of late! All in all, I think he's a good choice. QBOTF? - he's got the talent, but we'll have to see how he adjusts to our very green team, and how they adjust to him.

KChiefs1 · 02-28-2009, 03:08 PM

Not that I don't think there are some football geniuses in this forum but I'll take Scott Pioli over any of you guys when it comes to making football decisions.

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02-28-2009, 01:32 PM
Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	Matt Cassel: Good or Bad? We may as well have an easy point of reference for people to be able to come back and eat their crow when this all pans out. Everyone always says I knew it all along. Step up and put it down. I don't think a 2nd round pick is terrible, but I don't think Matt Cassel will pan out in KC. I'll put it down right here, right now. And now I'll start praying I'm wrong. Forget the trade. The only thing I want you to commit too is whether or not Cassel is a good or bad choice for QBOTF.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-2007500	Hamas may have let his mind officially meltdown here. I don't even think Cassel is some kind of savior, but comparing him to one of the 2 or 3 best QB's of the modern era is going to be impossible to beat. Sure if Tom Brady is the standard, this trade is a failure, but then again Sanchez and Stafford would be too, and most QB's that are going to be drafted in the next 10 years.
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