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**007** · 04-16-2009, 11:13 PM

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Mecca · 04-17-2009, 03:39 PM

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On the other hand, Urban seems to be attempting to address these perceived "problems" that have people saying that Tebow would be a better fullback than quarterback in the NFL. He's going to be using pro style sets in his offense next year and has brought in a guy (can't remember his name) to orchestrate this as well as refine Tebow's throwing mechanics. I was reading somewhere that the receivers were already commenting on how much better the ball was coming out of his hand, etc.

It's actually nice to see that Urban is going the distance for a kid that had a hand in winning him two national championships in four years. Also, it tells me that there is something about Tebow to make Urban do this for him. I think the kid has got potential. That being said, Stafford looks as good a pro quarterback prospect as I've seen in a long time. Smart, thick build, has decent mobility, and a cannon for an arm. A three year starter that has won all three bowl games he's played in.

He's trying to save himself in the future, that's all it is. I brought this up a long time ago. If kids who think they can play in the NFL get offered by teams that run that offense, why would you go there when history tells you that it won't work out?

**Kyle DeLexus** · 04-17-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's trying to save himself in the future, that's all it is. I brought this up a long time ago. If kids who think they can play in the NFL get offered by teams that run that offense, why would you go there when history tells you that it won't work out?

I hope that trend picks up and the spread filters it's way out of college football. As much as I like watching KU actually compete, more teams need to run pro style formations. It would help the players at the next level and the scouts.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-17-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

I hope that trend picks up and the spread filters it's way out of college football. As much as I like watching KU actually compete, more teams need to run pro style formations. It would help the players at the next level and the scouts.

THIS. Put that joke of a trend in the ground where it belongs, and let's play FOOTBALL.

Mecca · 04-17-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

I hope that trend picks up and the spread filters it's way out of college football. As much as I like watching KU actually compete, more teams need to run pro style formations. It would help the players at the next level and the scouts.

It won't start filtering it's way out for a long time, many many lower tiered teams that can't sign high level recruits will always run it..

The thing is when teams like Florida and Michigan run it, it creates issues because 5 star kids do look at those schools...

This is what I think will happen, eventually it will become like the old option was. The NFL will look down upon programs that run it and you'll see kids who are really concerned about their futures avoid those programs.

The main issue here is Florida uses it and Florida is in a very rich recruiting state...so sometimes it's not going to be easy to convince a 5 star 18 year old kid going to his hometown team isn't best for his future.

I do think eventually you'll see legit offensive recruits start avoiding those schools...the best player Urban Meyer has gotten at that school is being absolutely raked over the coals going into this years draft.

Mecca · 04-17-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

THIS. Put that joke of a trend in the ground where it belongs, and let's play FOOTBALL.

I've talked about how the spread hurts the development of players for the next level the general thing I was met with around here is "it's not college teams jobs to develop players it's their jobs to win"

Of course I think there are some skewed opinions around here since the spread made basically everyone's college team that posts here mean something for the first time in 50 years.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 04-17-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I've talked about how the spread hurts the development of players for the next level the general thing I was met with around here is "it's not college teams jobs to develop players it's their jobs to win"

Of course I think there are some skewed opinions around here since the spread made basically everyone's college team that posts here mean something for the first time in 50 years.

Oh I agree with you, honestly I don't mind schools that don't get high rated prospects like KU running a spread. If you are a major university that is basically a farm system for the NFL your hurting yourself by running the spread. The more NFL players/prospects you have the better that is for recruiting. You have teams like OU using an offense that is custom designed for teams with less talent to compete.

My argument to support college teams developing players would be that if you want the best recruits you can get develope them and help them achieve their NFL dream. Al Groh is an example. If I played defense or OLine i'm going to Virgina. He gets his players drafted.

Demonpenz · 04-17-2009, 04:14 PM

it's sad that i actually don't enjoy the football talk on here much anymore.

Mecca · 04-17-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Oh I agree with you, honestly I don't mind schools that don't get high rated prospects like KU running a spread. If you are a major university that is basically a farm system for the NFL your hurting yourself by running the spread. The more NFL players/prospects you have the better that is for recruiting. You have teams like OU using an offense that is custom designed for teams with less talent to compete.

My argument to support college teams developing players would be that if you want the best recruits you can get develope them and help them achieve their NFL dream. Al Groh is an example. If I played defense of OLine i'm going to Virgina. He gets his players drafted.

Nature of the beast I guess, OKlahoma gets top of the line players at certain positions but honestly they've had a hard time landing top level QB's and skill position players outside of RB. Plus they're always slow....

They'd probably hit you with the "we don't get what SC or Florida gets"

**Kyle DeLexus** · 04-17-2009, 04:25 PM

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it's sad that i actually don't enjoy the football talk on here much anymore.

, I sat through the poop threads waiting for real football talk all offseason. Now that the draft is close enough people are taking it serious I didn't get any work done today.

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Nature of the beast I guess, OKlahoma gets top of the line players at certain positions but honestly they've had a hard time landing top level QB's and skill position players outside of RB. Plus they're always slow....

They'd probably hit you with the "we don't get what SC or Florida gets"

How do you compete with the recruitment tool of beaches and nice weather. Really I don't follow college recruiting at all. I only care about the players once they're at the schools and start playing. Is it that OU focuses on other positions with an emphasise on RB's, or that they just can't land big name QB's and skill positions? Or are there just not enough top of the line Texas kids to go around for the Big 12?

Mecca · 04-17-2009, 04:27 PM

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, I sat through the poop threads waiting for real football talk all offseason. Now that the draft is close enough people are taking it serious I didn't get any work done today.

How do you compete with the recruitment tool of beaches and nice weather. Really I don't follow college recruiting at all. I only care about the players once they're at the schools and start playing. Is it that OU focuses on other positions with an emphasise on RB's, or that they just can't land big name QB's and skill positions? Or are there just not enough top of the line Texas kids to go around for the Big 12?

It has to do with their main recruiting base being Texas and here lately the Texas kids haven't been nearly as good as the Cali or Florida kids. Plus Texas is much tougher competition in recruiting than SC ever faces out in Cali or Florida is seeing right now.

Just take into account Sam Bradford was a 3 star recruit from Oklahoma.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 04-17-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It has to do with their main recruiting base being Texas and here lately the Texas kids haven't been nearly as good as the Cali or Florida kids. Plus Texas is much tougher competition in recruiting than SC ever faces out in Cali or Florida is seeing right now.

Just take into account Sam Bradford was a 3 star recruit from Oklahoma.

I figured as much. Throw into it that USC and Florida now always seem to be championship contenders and guys want to win and if you go to USC you get the added bonus of a pro scheme.

Mecca · 04-17-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

I figured as much. Throw into it that USC and Florida now always seem to be championship contenders and guys want to win and if you go to USC you get the added bonus of a pro scheme.

The spread has made 3 star kids like Bradford and McCoy look like a million bucks and if you told these coaches they're hurting their programs in the long run they'd argue about it.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 04-17-2009, 04:42 PM

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The spread has made 3 star kids like Bradford and McCoy look like a million bucks and if you told these coaches they're hurting their programs in the long run they'd argue about it.

As soon as someone as hyped as Bradford busts maybe the top schools will change their ways. Of course that's probably asking too much Texas has all kinds of busts and people still want to go there.

Mecca · 04-17-2009, 04:43 PM

Oklahoma has had hardly anyone transition very well to the next level if you want to be honest about it.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 04-17-2009, 04:57 PM

Well maybe the coaches that argue that they aren't hurting the long term value of their team are right. Personally I know if i'm going to go to the NFL I'm choosing a school that will get me ready to play in the NFL

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